David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[despair]

Mary Jane was a daughter of the correct John and Jane(1834,1833),but she was born circa 1771 and is in the 1881 census at YnysPerfedd.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

I seem to have transposed one family, John and Jane Lewis onto the family of their son, John and Jane Lewis. I've just been searching the senior family without results. No damned wonder.
 I'm on intermittent household duties today but I'll try to sort it out later, Getting old. Sob-sob.
                                                     Regards, Peter

[Viking666]

This error is connected to the 'original sin' of mixing up the two Jane and John Lewis families. I have, in my notes, a complete 'mirror image' of the John and Jane juniors superimposed as the children of John and Jane seniors. I think that it came about when I was searching for Joseph, (1833), in the 1851 census. The result was the link that I sent you for the 1871 census and I took those children, and their dates of birth on the presumption, at that  time, that I was looking at the 1851 census.
 Now all that I have for Jane and John seniors is that they had a child, Joseph, (1833), who, in turn had 6 children. David, Thomas, Rees, Ann, Elias and James.
                                       Regards, Peter

[despair]

I don't think there is a " Jane and John seniors" as such a named couple.If you go back to my posting on the 1861 Tregaron marriage of Jane Jones(father John Jones,blacksmith) and John Lewis,you will see thet John's father is James Lewis,farmer.
Ignoring some "lazy ditto-ing" on the 1871 census,John Lewis gives his birthplace as Llanrhystud and this is consistent with the famly of James Lewis in 1861,just prior to the marriage at

RG09 4193 106 10

In 1841 they are at

HO107 1373 11 31 8

John is not with the family in 1851,when the remainder are at

HO107 2484 119 10

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

         This is all that I have of this family after amendments of today   

     Richards female,  born Lledrod  C1756
                  She was married to a Davies.
                        They had 2 known children.

                   *Joseph Davies. (1794-1872). Unmarried.
                    Jane Davies (1795-   )
                    She Married John Lewis (1814-) of Llangoedmor.
                    They had 5 children.
1. Joseph (1833-  )   Joseph was a miner.
                             He married Elizabeth (1836- )
                                                             They had 5 children

                                                              David (1858- )
                                                              Thomas (1862- )
                                                              Rees  (1860-)
                                                              Ann  (1867- )
                                                              Elias (1869- )
2. John (1834)
3. Lewis (1837)
4. Thomas (1839)
5. Mary Jane (1840)
6. James

 The senior and junior John and Jane disappeared with the rectification of my mistakes.
                                                      Regards, Peter

[despair]

I'm sorry,Peter,but I can't agree with your "remainder".I could be wrong but:-
The famly of Joseph Lewis(1833),with wife Elizabeth etc does not track back to a Jane and John that I can see at the moment.In fact I can't find a couple with the ages(1794,1815) anywhere.
Furthermore,the famiiy containing Mary Jane,seen at YnysPerfedd(1871)  track back to John(1834) and Jane(1833) as per my previous post,with the "nephew" relationship  to Joseph(1794).
To reiterate,Jane is the daughter of John Jones,blacksmith,and John is the son of James Lewis farmer.
Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

I haven't placed the family of John, (1834), in my notes yet but they are ready. They are listed as follows ...Joseph; John, Lewis, Thomas Oliver, and Mary Jane.
 I have now deleted the family of Joseph and Elizabeth but left Joseph, (1833) for the future.
                                 Regards, Peter
 

[despair]

They are the married couple in the 1871 census with John Lewis given as nephew.I believe he is a "nephew in law" his wife Jane being the daughter of John Jones,blacksmith and Amelia nee Davies.
This would mean Joseph and Amelia are brother and sister or,possibly(speculative),half sister or step sister.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

 Do you know the DoB for Amelia nee Davies. I'm wondering whether there's another pointer as to whether she is related to Joseph. Who were her parents? Logic says that they would be the Richards woman and the Davies man who were born C1765.
 Note that  John Lewis and Jane Jones plus her presumed brother John Jones hadn't been born when Edward Richards refers to Joseph as a 'nephew'.
Jane Jones was born in 1834 and John Jones in 1842. These dates coincide with the birth range of  the children of John (1814)and Jane (C1795) Lewis. (Although Amelia must have been younger than Joseph).
 Anything that ties these two together would solve the puzzle.
                                            regards, Peter