David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

No I don't have anything on David Meredith. There was something at the beginning of this Topic when I thought, wrongly, that it was a David Meredith Richards, the son of David of Ffos, but this was corrected by a lady to read David Meredith. This David Meredith took over the tenancy of Ffos in 1770.

Quoting you from page 25 of this Topic regarding Elizabeth, the daughter-in-law of David of Ff0s.

[Of Elizabeth Richards' other children the record for Morgan Owens(1775-1859) looks promising as he is at Penlan in the 1841 census, the other property specified in one of the wills.(There was a Pen y Lan in the Thomas Davies 1701 will also, but this is a very, very common name)
Interestingly, there is a John Meredith staying with him, who, while the age looks  wrong, is possibly the son of David Meredith of Ffosybleiddiaid.]

I have a David Meredith quoted as being an Elder or Deacon of a Chapel in Lledrod in 1851.
                       regards, Peter

[Viking666]

Found at Oxford.

JOHN P. JONES.

Jones, John, o.s. John, of Lledrod, co. Cardigan, gent. Jesus Coll. , matric. 24. May, 1861, aged 19; clerk 1861-4, scholar 1864-6, H.A. 1866, M.A. 1870, head- master of Lledrod and Ystrad-Meurig Grammar School 1870, vicar of Yspytty-Ystwyth, co. Cardigan, since 1870.

                                       Regards, Peter

[despair]

Whisper it quietly for fear it disappears before our very eyes,but I tihink I have found a timely Joseph Davies/Richards link.
Thinking as usual that there might be a family naming tradition I looked for Joseph Davies in the general area around the time of  "Joseph the nephew's" birth(circa 1794 according to census).
I found a will for a Joseph Davies,Caron 1780,obviously not a potential father,but possibly a grandfather.Most interestingly he leaves to his daughter Margaret Davies "the title deeds he has in his possession for a property called EsgairMaenFawr.This surely is the same property that Thomas Richards bequeaths in his 1808 will(gent,Caron).
The 1780 will of Joseph Davies appears to acknowledge some debt to a Petter Davies of Glyn.The footnotes in the article re freeholders in 1760 gives a Peter Davies of Glyn(ne) as the probable son of John Davies of Llangeitho who has the interest in "Scrygos".I think there is a succession of Peter Davies in Glyn,including up to the 1841 census.
In coming to ascribe the parentage of the Joseph Davies of interest(circa 1794),I might probably dismiss the 1786 record with parents Edward and Ann(though Joseph,will 1780,has a son Edward).
There is a very interesting record for twins,Joseph and Jane,born to a John David and Margaret his wife,of Gilfach y Gwyddil,in 1794.Gilfach y Gwyddil is adjacent to Caerllugest,the abode given for the John Davies of Llangeitho with the interest in "Scrygos".Moreover,there is a marriage record for a John David to Margaret Joseph(the patronymic form surely) in Llangeitho in 1785.
I haven't yet been able to make the final connection across to Thomas Richards.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

It looks to me that John David and his wife Margaret  have burial records that give:-


John David 1754-1810
Margaret    1764-1804

Regards
Roger

[despair]

I think I had better re-check the wills I read to confirm who may have had the debt to Pe(t)ter Davies,and for what,in case the property passed by forfeit and not direct lineage.


Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

 Having now read the Joseph Davies will of 1780 and the will of Thomas Richards 1808, both of Caron. The only link between the two families that I can see is that the farm, Esgair maen Fawr carried a mortgage in both cases. Joseph Davies owes his mortgage to Jenkin Rees and, later, Thomas Richards owes his mortgage to Jenkin Davies.  Joseph has a grand-daughter called Anne Rees but none of his daughters in the will are shown with that surname.
 Is the John Jones, nephew, B1794, the son of John and Aurelia Jones of the Smithy at Swydd, being converted somehow into your "Joseph the nephew B1794" (Davies).
 It looks to me as if the Joseph Davies was also a Smith. He leaves the Smithy shop  to his son, (whose first name I can't make out). I can't see a Petter Davies in this will either.
                    Your thoughts on this complicated matter.

[despair]

Whether or not there is any relationship between between the families of the 1780 and 1808 wills,the will of Rev Edward Richards of Epsom(1833) clearly references Joseph David(and I'm now more certain it says David) of Ynys Berfedd.I thought he was referred to as a nephew,and,as he also had his own nephews staying with him in later censuses I thought that this dual aspect may reinforce data concerning any family identity,and possibly explain the Richards/Davies interest in "Scrygos".I realise that a Joseph Davies of "Ynys" is buried next to Owen Davies and Jane of Ynys Berfedd,but as far as I am aware the MI does not state that he is their son and I haven't seen a birth/baptism record that supports it either.It is a natural conclusion to draw,but is it correct?There could easily,I suppose, be two Joseph Davids born in the same area in possibly he same year.
The real difficulty I have is confidently reading the critical lines of Edward Richard's will.There looks like another (small) word may have been cut off in the copying(?)and it might read ".....my nephews at Joseph Davies Ynys Berfedd..." which could alter everything.
I'm not having the best of days-I've lost the Pet(t)er Davies reference too!

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

  I've had another good look at the Will of Rev. Edward of Epsom. Without doubt it shows "nephews Joseph Davies" ... what you describe as a small word at the end of the line is in fact a "space filler" to stop anything being added, (it looks like a Pi symbol)l and is found at the end of most of the 'line ends' in the Will.
 Having refreshed my view of Owen Davies and Jane (was Richards) family. I mentioned earlier that Owen, B1733, was 61 when he had his first child, Joseph, B1794. His second child, Jane, was born a year later. Joseph never married and Jane, married to John Lewis, had her first child, (last quarter of 1833), after the Rev. Edward had died. So we see that there was only one nephew at Ynysberfedd.
 The Thomas Richards of Scrygos (sic) is simply Thomas the father of David, the father of the Rev. John etc. still living at Strygos Fawr at this date. (1760).
 The copy I have of the will is in Jpg format and is crystal clear even when magnified and is much easier to read compared to seeing it on the LlgC site.

  I'm also reminded that the Freehold of Ynysberfedd was acquired by the Rev. Edward sometime between 1818-20 when he also bought some of the Hafod Estate which was being sold at that time. Edward's son George inherited Ynysberfedd in the will ... George, living at Tregaron, committed suicide in 1854 and Ynysberfedd was passed on to his brother.
                                                Regards, Peter.

[despair]

While looking to satisfy myself on the two Janes,wife and daughter of Owen Davies,and failing to find a convincing record,I did come across the following in Ystrad Meurig MIs.They are sequentially numbered,and it looks like they are a related group,interesting in the light of the presence of  Reverend John Jones,and,eparately,a reference to Ynys.

85 : Joseph D Lewis son of John and Jane Lewis,Cwm-meurig died 29th January in his 36th year,and his wife Kate Lewis died Sept 7th 1909 in her 44th year

86 : The Rev. John Jones M.A. 1842-1915,Vicar of Ystrad Meurig and Ydbyty Ystwyth and Head Master of St John's College
Also his children
Hedone Augusta 1881-1966
Amy Gwladys     1886-1975
The Reverend George Davys Jones 1884-1975 Rector of Llanfor,Rural Dean of Penllyn

87 : James,son of John and Jane Lewis Cwmmeurig,Gwnnws Uchaf,born 10th May 1872,died August 8th 1808

88 : Jane wife of John Lewis Cwmmeurig,Gwnnws Uchaf born 19th April 1832 died 5th March 1907
       John Lewis born 24th November 1833 died 8th March 1918

89 : John,son of John and Jane Lewis,Ynys,Lledrod Uchaf,born June 23rd 1864,died June 2nd 1886


Regards
Roger