David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

I can't find it either but I still have the notes for it....

"Another David Richard and his family lived at Bronwenllwyd, a farm close to the previously mentioned farms. He died in 1668 and I see from his will of that date that, as well as bequests to his wife Mary and his two children, (Edward and Hanna David), he leaves money to another Richard family that bear the familiar first names of Thomas, John, Edward, Morris and Oliver. There is no indication in the will of the relationship between the two families but there is also a Mary Richard, shown as sister, and they may be her family. (The will was witnessed by a Lewis David)".

 This has happened before with other Wills where I'm reading it one day and the following day there's no trace of it ! I've tried different variants of name and dates without result.
I remember that you read this will too and our comments may be in the topic somewhere. (I thought that the daughter's name was Ssana but you corrected my reading to show Hanna).

                                                          Regards, Peter

[despair]

It may be a will of David Richard 1688 you are referring to but there is no Bronwenllwyd in the title at least.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Yes, it was the one dated 1688. (Badly scribbled notes).

 Bronwenllwyd appears on line 18, the first word. Preceding it is that he leaves the place to his son and daughter ... "the lands known as Bronwenllwyd".  I'll have a better read of it in the morning when my eyes are rested!
                                          regards, Peter.

 Morning ... it wasn't the badly scribbled notes ... I think that I need glasses!

[despair]

The following could easily be just a number of unconnected coincidences,but for what it's worth:-

In the 1851 census at Llwyncedni there is a  Mary Evans(lodger,unmarried) given born 1779,Lledrod
(It is possible that this is the same Mary Evans who is at Ynysygarn in 1841 along with a Margaret Evans  given born 1751.There is a LLedrod burial record for Margaret Evans 1749-1848).
The adjacent property in 1851 is "Swydd" and this is occupied by a Joseph Williams and his wife Margaretgiven born 1798,Cardiganshire. in both censuses.
It is obviously Joseph's second marriage as in 1841 there is a Margaret,David and John Evans as well as Williams surname children and grandchildren.There is an 1837 marriage of Joseph Williams,widower to a Margaret Evans(status unspecified) in 1837 which fits nicely.

In the 1851 census only Margaret Evans remains of the stepchildren,and ,interestingly,she is given as born London.In a giant leap of unsupported faith I have found an 1824 marriage of a David Evans  to a Margaret Richards in Southwark(the first two of the later stepchildren having these forenames).
That is as far as I have got at the moment,but even without a valid Richards/London connection it seems worth pursuing,if possible,the Margaret Evans born circa 1750 who emerges at Ynys Y Garn in the 1841 census,given the 1760 freehold you referred to.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

  I've been painstakingly going through the wills for all surnames, 'David', from 1680 to 1720, trying to find any links to Richard David of Strygos ... without any luck. Going from the names and relationships they look, to all intents and purposes, as if they aren't related at all.
 Your last post shows a rare thing ... a 99 year old woman!
 I look forwards to the result of the London connection!
  I am the designated chef for tomorrow; apparently it's someone's birthday so I'll have a day off from Wills and the like.
                                  Regards, Peter.

 For readers of this topic, may I remind you of the dangers of overindulgence. In the account of the funeral of Edward Richard, Schoolmaster in 1777... "It took eight strong men to carry the coffin, him being so large in later life".
 And for those that look to religion to provide a wonderful life, this was written of the Rev. Hugh Rice of Lledrod, he that used to have dances at Swyddfynnon and whose daughter was the best dancer in the County.
 "The poor old man is upwards of 100 and has been blind for more than 16 years. He is a downright miser and does not care to part with his money".

[despair]

Maybe with patronymics it should be all wills with the "surname" Richard (groan!)
Have a good rest over the next few days.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

A change of direction nearer the heart of the matter,I hope.
In looking back,it seems to me that a key person in trying to link families is Joseph Davies of Brynperfedd as he is both a nephew to Rev. Edward Richards of Epsom,as per the 1833 will and has nephews in the 1861 and 1871 censuses.
I have examined the census and other data and it looks to me that a common family is that of John Jones,blacksmith,seen initially at the Swydd Smithy in 1841(HO107/1374/11/8/9) and at ? Gof,Tregaron in 1851(HO107/2487/28/7)
I think the John Jones,nephew,born 1842,with Joseph in 1861,is the second John born to this couple,the first in 1833 dying in 1834.
I further suspect that it is Jane Lewis(mmn Jones,married to John Lewis in Tregaron district 1862?)
who is the niece with her husband being a "nephew in law).I think only a marriage certificate would prove her identity.

There are two interesting things about this family:-
The wife is given in the birth records of Jane and the first John as mmn Aurelia Davies,although in some instances she is mis(?)transcribed as Amelia.In censuses she is given as born Llanyre Radnorshire.With such a name you would think it easy to trace her-think again!

If you trace John Jones forward to the 1871 census,he is with his mother Aurelia and described at length on the original as "Vicar of Ysbytty Ystwyth cum Ystrad Meurig and Master of Ystrad Meuurig Grammar School"

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

  This is the entry that I have for Jane Richards, the sister of the Rev. Edward. I can't, as yet, see  where the Jones nephew fits in with the family as I have it. Logically, Jane and John Lewis's only daughter, Mary Jane Lewis, (1840), must have married a Jones to produce a nephew, however, when "nephew-in-law" is introduced, then I can read your line of thought and I see the John and Jane (was Jones), (both B1834), that you refer to. I have added your initial work to the entry, and, in the new 'simplified form', looks good enough to be true.
 I wonder whether "Swydd Smithy" refers to a Smithy at Swydd-y-ffynnon or whether it refers to the farm, 'Swydd'.
                                           Regards, Peter.



                1.  Jane  born Lledrod  [/b](1757-1822)
                  She was married to Owen Davies. (1733-1812).
                  They had 2 known children.
                   *Joseph Davies. (1794-1872). Unmarried.
                    Jane Davies.    (1795-)  She Married John Lewis (1814-   ) of Llangoedmor.
                         
                                      They had 5 children.
                             Joseph           (1833-  )
                             He married Jane Richards, at Tregaron in 1858.
                             John             (1834-  ) Wife is Jane, (1834) 
                                                               ** New info ... Jane Jones. The
                                                               John Jones, Nephew, shown below, is believed to be
                                                               her brother. Jane and John Jones' parents are believed
                                                               to have been John and Aurelia (Amelia) Jones, of
                                                               Swydd Smithy. John is shown with his mother in the
                                                               1871 census and is later shown as becoming the
                                                                "Vicar of Ysbyty Ystwyth cum Ystrad Meurig and the
                                                                Master of Ystrad Meurig Grammar School"
                                                               
                             Lewis            (1837-  )
                             Thomas Owen.  (1839- )
                             Mary Jane.     (1840- )
           
              *In the  1851 census Joseph is at Ynysberfedd, (72 acres), 
               together with 3 servants.
               In the 1861 he is at Ynysberfedd, (141 acres), together with a
               nephew, John  Jones, (1842), and 3 servants.
               In the 1871 census Joseph is still at Ynysberfedd (141 acres), but
               now has his brother-in-law, John Lewis, (1814), plus wife Jane and         
               5 children and 2 servants.
                             Joseph died in 1872.

[despair]

Do you have any info on the family/origins of David Meredith who is at Ffos y bleiddiaid?

Regards
Roger