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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #297 on: Thursday 22 December 16 12:14 GMT (UK) »
I've been peering at old maps of the area in and around Ysbyty Ystwyth and can't locate any of the properties that are mentioned in the will. Even, 'sounds like' doesn't click in my mind. I did have a thought that, because of the extensive lead-mining in the area, they may have been destroyed but I have a map as old as the will and that doesn't produce anything either. It looks as though the deciphering of the will won't produce anything that is usable, although the names of the people mentioned could strike gold but, there again, the names are probably a mix of Patronymics. This Richard David shows the same patern as the one at Esgair-y-gors  where the children are named Richards but there are plenty of David folk also.
 Just a thought ...could it be that some of the properties are not in Ysbyty Ystwyth at all... Ty'n y Rhose was mentioned in the sale of the Mill at Lledrod.
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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #298 on: Thursday 22 December 16 21:22 GMT (UK) »
I may have found two of the properties mentioned.It seems reasonable that Llwyn y kedney/Llwyncedni(as per 1851 census) are synonymous and with the adjacent properties being Swydd and Cefn Llwyn,which are at approximate postcode SY25 6AP.Adjacent to Cefn Llwyn is a Ty'n y Clawdd which is also mentioned in the will.Back again in Bryn Isaf territory.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #299 on: Thursday 22 December 16 21:52 GMT (UK) »
  Agreed. I keep trolling the maps and spot Properties that are known to us and that is why I was sure that the Will was referring to places not in Ysbyty Ystwyth. At the early dates that we are looking at, (1690's), the Parish boundaries may not have been what they were a bit later.  There is also a will dated 1677 for another Thomas Richards of Ysbyty; he  has sons Richard and David Thomas. properties in his Will are Tyddyn Llwyn Gofre, Tyddyn y Clawdd Kerig and Tyddyn-pant-y-ffynnon. (The latter I've located at 2 km directly East of Ysbytty). I'm sure that we're dealing with the same family group. Sorting them out .... now that's another problem!
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #300 on: Thursday 22 December 16 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Time for a groan again-I'm pretty sure I've seen at least two or possibly three Pant y Ffynnons in the area.The properties in the will you refer to are identical to the 1722 will of David Richard(!)

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #301 on: Friday 23 December 16 10:36 GMT (UK) »
I think I may also have found Clawdd Kerrig,Llwyn y Goffre and possibly Ty'n y Rhose.Clawdd Kerrig was sometimes rendered Cloddie Cerrig and I believe it is simply Cloddiau on the following map adjacent to Llwyn Gafri and Ty'n y Rhos towards the top left hand corner.The "stepping stones" nearby have an echo of the "cerrig" name.

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101608042

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #302 on: Friday 23 December 16 10:55 GMT (UK) »
It may also mean the Pant y Ffynnon in question is toward the top right hand corner of the adjacent map.

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101608033

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #303 on: Friday 23 December 16 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Referencing the Parish boundaries again; I see that the Will of Richard David of Strygosfawr comes under the Parish of Ystrad Meyric although, later, the farm comes within the Parish of Lledrod.
 I'm always on the lookout for any link to RD of Strygos when reading other Wills. The Strygos Will is about as simple as it gets and mentions his wife and children. There are no other relatives shown to give us a clue as to who his parents were or how old he was at death.
 Using the average age for marriage as 35 we see that his eldest son, David of Ffos, marries Letticia in 1735 giving his estimated DOB as C1700. Richard David, marrying at 1700 would have an estimated DOB of 1665. The problem is that the Wills that we have been reading, although showing a few Richard Davids as relatives, don't indicate their ages.
 We could be looking straight at the correct family, without knowing it; nephews, sons and cousins could be of any age.
 The same too for David and Goley's forebears. He  married C1698 which places him at the same Circa DOB as RD of Strygos. Thomas Richards, (Edward Richard, Schoolmaster's father), would also be of the same approximate DOB.
 There is an indication showing that particular families tended to stay in the same area and I would tend towards Lledrod as being the source of my family line. I'll have another read of the Will of David Richard of Bronwenllwyd, dated 1668. (within the cluster of family in Lledrod), to see whether I've missed anything.
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #304 on: Friday 23 December 16 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Well spotted Pant y ffynnon. I may be using maps that are too old and therefore haven't enough detail.
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #305 on: Friday 23 December 16 16:39 GMT (UK) »
I can't find the 1668 will you refer to-can you check the precise details please.

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Roger