David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

Sorry ... meant to say, "who is William Davies?"
I've looked for his will from 1765 to 1820 without luck; so too Thomas Davies, just in case he was a relative. My search for a link between any Richards born before 1700 and those born after this date has also come to nothing. I keep thinking that there's an obvious source for the whole family in the earliest days but, mostly because of patronymics, it's impossible to find it. The early belief that there was a nuclear family based on David and Goley Richard would appear to have moved, thanks to more info, to a long list of Thomases. I have the 1722 will of David Richards of Clawdd Kerrig, wife is Magdalen Jenkins. His father was Richard Thomas. He is still alive at this date but there are no indications of his age. (David's sister was Jane Richards and brother Edward Richards).
                        Regards, Peter.

[despair]

I referenced William Davies as he is the last person I can find who seems associated with an "inheritance" that includes "Bryn-Issa".He is in a number of 1777 indentures,particularly that of Jan 17.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Can you PM me the indentures from 1777 etc. that you mention. My Indentures stop at 1722 !
Something of interest ....
I.1635
1850, Jan. 26
LEASE for 21 years from the Rt Hon. Ernest Augustus, Earl of Lisburne, to Richard Davies of Hendre-Rees, p. Llanilar, co. Card., farmer, of a piece of land (1 r., 15 p.) in a field called Simnie-wen, said p. Llanilar and a house thereon, which said premises were known as Llwynderw.  Yearly rent, 5s
(Note ... may be a relative of (son?) of Thomas Davies. Thomas is dec. at this date).
                     Regards, Peter

[despair]

Your PM appears to be blocking messages.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Re-set parameters so should be OK now. Regards, Peter

[despair]

I will try to see if I can tease out any more solid connections from these very tenuous strands:-

There is a 1701 will of Thomas Davies of Lledrod,that I have referred to before.There is not an obvious link to Thomas Davies,clerk,the brother in law/guardian of the 1749 Morgan Richard will,though he does give Richard David as his "under tenant" at Tythyn Strygos(as before also).Another property mentioned in this will is EithinGleision(SY23 4EE)which is very close to Esgair y Gors,perhaps confirming the equivalence with Strygos.
Yet another property is Ffos Helyg,and there is also a 1795 indenture for Richard Davies of this address.As usual the lack of confident birth/death dates makes attribution difficult.
Leaving the will aside,Egair y gors and EithinGleision are also very close to a property called Pentre-du and there is a 1743 indenture with William Davies and "Pentre-duy".

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Yes, that reply was saved ... never used it before.
 I've noticed a whole bunch of Davies in the Lledrod and Ystrad area going right back to the 1600's (the will of Thomas Davies of 1701 is an example),and I'm almost convinced that our Davies, (Rev. and Guardian) is not of this group. The William Davies at Penbryn is in Lledrod with his mother and I see them as being the local tribe and nothing to do with the Richards family. We'll never be able to prove it either way but his entitlement to the property of Bryn Issaf etc. remains an enigma.
 There is the chance that David Richards, father of Morgan Richards was originally from the area around Lledrod, thus explaining why his sons Thomas and David of Ffos, plus Thomas, son of Morgan, are resident in the area. We know of a few Richards that were here from the beginning of our research; Thomas, the father of Edward Richard and the David Richards and wife Goley come to mind. David and Goley actually owned the property involved in 1693, and Edward, who seemed to own most of Bryn Merllyd at his death, had his finger in most of what went on in the area.
                                      Regards from Peter.

[Viking666]

Further thoughts on those indentures that you sent by PM.
I think that the final indenture dated May 29, 1777, lists all of the people that owned parts of the properties of Pen-bryn-merllyd and Tythyn-bryn-issa at that date. William Davies is there, so too Edward Richard of the School amongst others. I can only guess that the actual house called Bryn Issaf, as we have noticed, was used by the clergy and, with some change in the Church's circumstances, (you quoted information from the body that maintains the Church's properties of the poor state of the place), the house was passed to the Rev. John and then to his son Robert.
Another look at Robert's finances at death finds that his valuation was £414, (after payment of debts). For a tenanted farm of 110 acres, this was quite a sum in 1849. (Compare this to the Rev. John with his residue of £68 in 1832) and could be an indication that Robert had sold the property. We need an indenture showing the transfer of the property to the Rev. John and the transfer from him to Robert in 1832.
The present tenant of the house tells me that the original house is simply a low pile of rubble and that the present house was built in the mid-1900's.
                       Send thoughts. Regards Peter.
 

[despair]

I can't find indentures or similar as you suggest,nor any line of inheritance of the property nor wills referring to John or James that would lead to their parentage.While I haven't given up entirely I am fairly pessimistic about any breakthrough.

Regards
Roger