David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

It's the 1754 indenture as follows and was posted just before the death of David Richard, (but after the death of Rev.Morgan Richard). It shows the granting of the lease of Hendry Rees from David to Thomas Davies, (Guardian of Thomas Junior). Presumably Thomas Junior inherited on the death of David less than two years later.

II.229
1754, Sept. 10
 INDENTURE, being a grant from David Richards of p. Llanddewy Brevy, co. Card., gent., to Thomas Davies of p. Llanbadarnfawr, co. Rad., clerk, of a tmt called Hendre Rees, p. Llanilar, co. Card., on trust for the said David Richards for his life, with remainder to Thomas Richards of p. Lledrod, co. Card., (second son of Morgan Richards of p. Llanddewy Ystradeny, co. Rad., clerk, dec., who was the eldest son of the said David Richards) and his issue, with similar remainders in succession to Rachel Richards and Lucy Richards, the dau’s of the said Morgan Richards, dec.

Hendre Rees(sic) Rhys is now described as a small village. The parish map of Llanilar from the 1700's shows it as a farm. It was completely demolished in living memory. (I have a photo).

Williams, Latham entry...
ID: I024463
•Name: John Richards , Curate Of Llanerchymedd 1
•Sex: M
•Title: Rev
•Birth: 26 OCT 1760 in Llanerchymedd
•Death: MAR 1832 in Llanerchymedd
•Event: Curate Llanerchymedd
•LVG: Pendref

Family search entry...
26 Oct 1760  of, Ystradmeurig, Gwnnws, Cardiganshire, Wales 

                                             regards, Peter





 

[despair]

A number of points,significance unknown:-

Did you read the 1754 indenture as Thomas Richard(s) moving into Hendre Rees,meaning John and James as putative sons were not born at Bryn Isaf?
I never know quite how to read these indentures,but I  could interpret it as the Rev Thomas Davies moving there.I assume he is the brother in law/guardian of Morgan Richards' 1749 will.You have him married to Gwen(Morgan's sister),but according to David Richards(note,again,not a Rev.) 1756 will Gwen is married to Morgan Evans.This I think leaves the Rev Thomas Davies as the brother of Morgan's wife Margaret.

I have tried to link these Davies to William Davies(possibly with a mother Elizabeth and brother Richard),who appears to have inheritance rights in 1877.No luck so far.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

    I read the indenture as being that Thomas, son of Morgan, moved there. By this date the Rev. Thomas Davies' duty as the guardian of Thomas, would be over. (Thomas would be aged circa 21 at this date, (age of emancipation is 17 years).
  Mix-up over who was who with the wives is due to Morgan dying before his father. Now corrected. If Thomas did indeed inherit, as I think that he did, then the birthplace of John and James would change from Bryn Issaf to Hendre Rees. We would also need to find a new mother too because the Thomas, brother of Morgan is now at Bryn Issaf with his wife Jane (guess). (Both of them obit around 1765-77). The property would then move to John, due to lack of a suitable heir, or some other complicated legal procedure.
 I've noted the size of Bryn Issaf in your earlier post.  456 acres is quite a lump of land, the second largest recorded so far for the Richards family. Largest was Parciau Home farm (600 acres) of Michael, the Rev. John's 2nd son.
     Regards, Peter.

[Viking666]

More. If you add the doc that you found for 1780, then it identifies which Thomas Richards is involved with Hendre Rees, at that date.

Level
File. 

Summary
Indenture, being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from Thomas Richards of p. Lledrod, co. Card. (second son of Morgan Richards of p. Llanddewy Ystradeny, co. Rad., clerk, dec.) to Thomas Jones of Carmarthen, gent., of a tmt called Hendre Rees, p. Llanilar, co. Card

It looks as if Thomas was the next of kin of his brother, Benjamin, so that his trip to London in 1765 would be simply to execute the will. (This indicates that Benjamin wasn't married).
The Trip to London in 1767 would be to attend his sister's wedding.
 
 It is probable that Thomas didn't move to London until he was released from the lease for Hendre Rees. This broadens the date when his 1st wife died and therefore increases the ages of their 2 children when she died. (In 1770, John was 10 and James was 7, both in the middle of their education by Edward Richard, schoolmaster, who continued to teach until 1774).
It is likely that Thomas and Lucy returned, after their marriage, to Hendre Rees because the above Indenture, dated 1780, is the application to the landowner to release Thomas from the lease and transfer it to Thomas Jones. (I can't see the farm being unoccupied for 10 years).
(In 1780 both John and James would have been emancipated).

                    Regards, Peter

[despair]

I have had a reply from NLW now re a will for Thomas Richard,father of Edward of Ystrad Meurig.
It says that although the evidence from wording in documents supports that there was a will
"...it has proved rather elusive to dig out..." i.e. they can't find one.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Yes, the usual story ... damned amateurs! 

[Viking666]

I've spent the last few days going over what we have, and, more important, what we don't have. A search of all wills between the dates 1750 and 1820 produced nothing but eye-strain, although, hurrah, I found another woman called 'Goley".
I.584
1691-2, Mar. 14
LEASE, (counterpart), for 21 years from John Vaughan of Trowscoed, esq., to John Morgan of p. Llanvihangell y Croythyn, co. Card., yeoman, and Goley (wife of David Rees of p. Lledrod, co. Card.) of a tmt called Havod-yr-abbott in said p. Llanvihangel y Croythyn.  Yearly rent, £5.10s., two hens and 40 eggs at Shrovetide or 1s., and a heriot of 40s.
 
  You can see that this Goley was a contemporary of the 'David and Goley', of Ynys Berfedd and I'm convinced that the name must have a common source, via a patronymic.
 I don't think that we can get any further with our search for the origins of the Rev. John and his brother James. Further back in time I see tantalizing possibilities regarding links between many of the Richard/s characters that we've come across but there is, as always, lack of positive data to form those links. We were lucky in the fact that the line starting with David of Llandewi Brevi didn't use patronymics, (this was unusual in those days), allowing us to trace, with certainty, the next generation, and the next. (There is an example of this in the Indenture 11.161 where the son of David and Goley is stated to be Richard David ... the following day, indenture 11.162 corrects the name to David Richard). In all probability, the Richard/s that we know of, including David of Ffos, David of Strygos, David and Goley of Ynys Perfedd, David of Llandewi were all related. And then we have Thomas, father of Edward schoolmaster, Thomas, the father of David of Strygos, Thomas, the son of David of Llandewi, and his son Thomas and there's the Thomas of Bwlch y Dwyallt.
 In the distant past (1620) there is the following ...
'Thomas Morgan Herbert of p. Spyttie Rhwystwyth, gent., and Marie verch Richard his wife'

  I think that we can congratulate ourselves on what we have achieved and now show this topic as, "Completed". Many thanks for your expert assistance, a fine example of, "Help the Aged".

                                                 Regards from Peter.
 

[despair]

I have been doing largely the same as you,concentrating on the outside possibility that they were named patronymically or that another useful will might exist in London,but equally to no avail.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

I know you said this thread was completed,but while following the possibility of James and John being patronymically named sons of Richard Davies(brother of William),and any possible relationship with the Rev Thomas Davies(brother in law and gaurdian) I came across the will of Thomas Davies of Lledrod(1701),in which I think it says he leaves "Tythyn Strygos" to his nephew and godson Thomas John.He describes it as a large and ample manor,now in his own possession,and mentions Richard David as his under tenant.Any relationships are not immediately obvious,but I thought it worth mentioning.

Regards
Roger