David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

Thanks for that. I see that searches produce both names in the results. His will is signed Richards but in them days, looking at the docs that we have, they are sometimes shown as both, (in separate documents).

[Viking666]

Using the patronymic Richard in my searches, I am beginning to reveal that there were quite a few in the general area of Lledrod and Ystradmeurig.
 The will of Jane Richard, written in Lledrod and dated 1789 is of initial interest. Bequests are made, among others, to the following.
To Thomas Richard of Lletymoel ... 20s each to two sons of Jenkin Richard of same place.
To nephew David, son of Jenkin 20s ... To 2 nephews John and Richard James, 10/= (Could be John and James Richard).
To nephew David, son of my brother James ... To nephew James, son of my brother Jenkins.

 We have John and 3 James here. I'll continue looking.

[despair]

It seems that the middle to late 18th century was a transitional period from patronymic to surname usage,with adoption being different between gentry and yeomanry,so perhaps it's not surprising to find different forms for the same people.Also in the indentures/deeds at NLW person's "name" is sometimes quoted in the reverse form!
Certainly a lot of the wills from the region/period appear to give bequests in the patronymic.

Regards
Roger

[despair]

Probably irrelevant,but while I was looking for a Richard "X" as father I came across the following which supports the fact that a "plain" David Meredith(not David Meredith Richards) was at Ffosybleiddiad(the 1851 census has him born at Llanychaearn approx. 1784 which probably fits with him being the son of Thomas Meredith(1754-1832,will at NLW?).I was slightly excited because there is also a Richard Meredith(possibly 1725-1805) who might have fitted the bill,but his will makes no mention of a son James(though there is a John) and they seem to use "surname naming".I can't find a connection by marriage with a Richards family either.


Release of a passage way and a parcel of land in Mill Lane, Aberystwyth (J.L.M. Sinnett 27), 1809, June 10. 

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1. Thomas Meredith of p. Llanychairarne, co. Card., gent., and David Meredith of Foesybleithed, co. Card., farmer, eldest son and heir at law of the said Thomas. 2. John Evans of Aberystwyth, co. Card., esq. Release of a passage way and a parcel of land in Mill Lane, Aberystwyth (J.L.M. Sinnett 27). 

Regards
Roger
 

[Viking666]

Here is the reference from 'Archeologica Cambriensis'. You can see why I made the error.

"The house was tenanted from the mid C18: David Richards 1757, followed by his son; David Meredith in 1843, when part of the Mabws estate. Sold in 1888 to the Trawsgoed estate."

[despair]

Did you find anything in Llangwyryfon?
I think this may be synonymous with Llanygwryddon from the indentures and deeds,where Letitia Richards,widow is said to be in 1777(implying a death for David Richards between 1757 and 1777,if this is his widow)
There also seems to be a ptoperty called Tynyrhos in that parish("Twyn y Rhose"?)

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

I have seen the will of David Richard of Llangwryfon dated 1771, wife's name Mary. It was witnessed by a James Richard.
 In the morning I will open the Google Earth map of the area and pinpoint houses that I've seen mentioned as we've done our research. Just remembered that Edward Richard of the School left 5 properties in his will, one of which is named Bryn Perfedd. 
 I have also managed to track down the Penlan as mentioned in David Richards will of 1810. I have been looking at the house, Brynarth, which was occupied by a Richard family as late as 1910. This quote, shows that the two houses were close together.
"Oddi yma twy warchodfa natur Brynarth ymlaen heibio fferm Penlan, a nôl i'r eglwys. Bu'n daith hynod o ddiddorol. (BBC) (This Penlan, see David Richards, Mill, Will. 1810)

The will of Jane Richard, Lledrod continues to intrigue me. She leaves a legacy to Thomas Richard of Lletymoel. This house still exists. I'd love to know the name of Jane's brother that has 2 children named John and James. He isn't named and may have deceased before this date.
I also have seen Jenkin Richard's will from 1770 ... he was the occupant of Lletymoel. His will was witnessed by Morgan Richard.
 More work to be done. Peter

[despair]

I didn't pick up on the brother having sons John and James............if it is the same part of the will I think it refers to "nephews John and Richard James"(i.e John James and Richard James with James being the maiden name of Jane).....I will recheck.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Yes, error noted. There are 2 Jenkins, one Jenkin Richard and the other Jenkin James, Both have sons named David and James.
 I've been thinking about the Rev. John Richard/s. The Williams, Lathan, Tomlinson states that he was born in Gwnnws. Never having great faith in their records, I was always a bit dubious. When I finally read the Rev's will naming the house as Bryn Issaf, finding the actual house on the map and, knowing now that the place seemed to attract Richards folk like a magnet, why haven't we been able to find any links to John and James, or possible members of their family; parents, siblings etcetera.
 The Rev. John may have inherited Bryn Issaf from some member of the Richard family, unknown to us, and wasn't born or raised there.
 We have now strayed with our search to Gwnnws and Llangwyryfon and are beginning to unearth Richard families that appear to be quite local and interconnected in the normal way, as opposed to the buying and selling of bits of land that we've seen in our search of Lledrod Upper parish.
 What about gathering together all that we have on Richards that weren't involved with Bryn Issaf and see what we come up with.
                                           Regards, Peter