David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

    I have made a preliminary tree for the Rev. David Richards. He married Margaret Morice, C1759.
They had 4 children; Richard and Mary, (1760-twins. Richard died in 1761),
Mary married James Morice, (1765-1839), in 1783. They had a daughter, Mary, (1790- 1866). (She is the "Eviction if you don't go to church" lady.)
 Elizabeth, (She married James Morice and had a son, Stephen).
 The Rev.Thomas, He married Frances Porter in 1792. Frances was the sister of Edith Porter, the writer of the Jane Austen book that you refer to.
I have the 'Jane Austen' file and the 'History of West Wales' if those were the ones that you sent the links to.
                                          regards, Peter

[despair]

I've just re-read the will of David Davies,1806,Blacksmith,Caron, who I believed to be the son of Joseph Davies(1780).It mentions a John Rowland,who I interpret as married to his sister.If I have traced him correctly,I end up with an address of Gilfach y Gwyddil-the same address as that of Joseph David and his twin Jane in 1794,born to parents John and Margaret.I feel sure this is the same family as the Davies of Glyn and Caerllugest.They may even be the couple quoted as "..John Davies,son of Peter Davies married Margaret Davies,daughter of Joseph Davies of Penlan.."


Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

I've just re-read the wills for 1780, 1806 and 1808 for the Davies family. In my way of interpreting all of the information in those wills, and your input, it's so complicated and round-about that you could take any Davies family and 'almost' come to the conclusion that they are the link to the Richards family.
 My gut feeling is that it's more simple than it appears. In the 1780 will of Joseph Davies we have a son, Joseph Davies. Reading his bequest we can see that he is 'under the age of 23' and that the will makes provision for his housing, feeding and education until he reaches the age of 23. We don't know how old he is at 1870, below 23 could mean that he is either very young or in his late teens or early 20s. He would certainly be a candidate for the man that marries the Richards girl. (Counting their child we now have a line of Josephs from the 1780 will of Joseph; his son Joseph, and his son Joseph). It isn't a scholarly hypotheses but it's straightforward and yet another 'shot in the dark' to ponder.
 I took the details of Jane from the grave of Owen and Jane Davies. We now can say that we don't  know her name or date of birth and death. The Joseph Davies of above (under 23) could have been around the same age. (James, the youngest of the three Richards sons was born in 1763 and was married in 1793 - his first chid was born in 1794). The Richards girl has her first child in 1794.
                            Just food for thought.    Regards, Peter
     

[despair]

I've tried to "fix' Joseph Davies by seeing if he has a direct uncle/nephew relationship with John Lewis(as per 1871 census),rather than as "in-law" via his wife Jane,daughter of John Jones,blacksmith   and his wife.No luck so far,but I have found the 1831 marriage of John Jones and Amelia Davies in Lledrod.It is on www.freereg.org.uk.
Confirming her first name hasn't helped trace her.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

   I now see that the first and second children of Jane, (was Davies), (1795), and john Lewis, (1814) have named, as usual, their first-born, 'Joseph'. So we now have 5 in this family from 1780.
  There could be a "smith neighbourhood link" as Joseph, (1780 will) was a smith, (and his son David too). The father of Jane and John Jones was also a smith. These parents would be about the same age as Jane and John Lewis.
 
                                                Regards, Peter

[despair]

Can you please provide a census reference for the couple you referred to -Jane(1795) and John Lewis(1814).I couldn't find them last time and I still can't.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJoseph~%20%2Bsurname%3ADavies~%20%2Bbirth_place%3ALledrod~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1794-1794~%20%2Bresidence_place%3ALledrod~%20%2Bresidence_year%3A1851-1871~%20%2Brecord_country%3AWales&collection_id=1538354

  Here is the link to familysearch.org
   If you search for Joseph Davies in the 1871 Census it shows Joseph, plus Jane and John Lewis and their family at Ynysberfedd.
                                               Regards, Peter.

[despair]

I have seen the 1871 census a number of times and the couple's dates are 1834 and 1833-not 1814 and 1795.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Sorry about that. Wrong Jane and John Lewis.
  As before, I must have copied the information from somewhere as I have the additional note that John Lewis, (1814) was born in Llangoedmor. They must be somewhere in the 1841/51 censuses because I have the names and dates for their children, the last of whom, Mary Jane, was born in 1840. I'll look again and send you the link.
                                              regards, Peter