David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

 Thanks for the new info. It all looks straightforward but wait a minute, there's something amiss!
   Item 85 on your  post shows Joseph D. Lewis, son of John and Jane Lewis with a wife called Kate. My records show Joseph marrying a Jane Richards at Tregaron in 1858. Suspicion is that Kate is Joseph's second wife. For example, Kate is 31 years younger than Joseph and where did I get the details for his marriage to Jane (was Richards) in 1858. Needs your expertise to check that my suspicions are correct.
                                 Regards, Peter

[despair]

There may be a duplication in names in different generations.The Joseph D Lewis in #85 isn't born until 1863,so I don't think he married in 1858!

Regards
Roger

[despair]

I have found the Petter Davies reference - it is in the will of Thomas Richards of Caron 1808.Peter is almost certainly of the line of Peter Davies of the 1738 indenture,son of John Davies of the 1760 "Scrygos" freehold interest.It is difficult to say whether any connection is familial/tenency/business.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Yes, point taken ... I think that I may have missed one generation. Intermittent internet connection here due to storm in the area but I'll do a bit of searching tomorrow using the new info that you provided.
                       Regards, Peter.

 Just received you post re. Petter. Did we ever do any research on the Davies who was the full tenant of Strygos when Richard David was his under-tenant?

[despair]

That was Thomas Davies of the 1701 will.It is that connection I'm looking to find.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

  I've had a look at that 1701 will  without spotting anything that I  can use except that  he was the true tenant of Strygos. I've been trying to work backwards from Owen Davies, the husband of Jane (was Richards).  As he was born in 1733 his father must have been born in the late 1690's. His parents were probably William and Elizabeth Davies, shown at Penbryn in 1777 with Elizabeth being shown as a widow in 1778. An Indenture of 1778 shows that Elizabeth Davies is a widow but that there is still a William Davies at Penbryn. This William may have been an older brother of Owen Davies ... another brother, Richard Davies is shown in an Indenture of 1772.
At least we have some names to look out for in Wills for other Davies in the area. There was no will for William Davies, senior.
                                      regards from Peter.

[despair]

I have some further data and speculation

I am beginning to think the "Scrygos" listed for John Davies in Llangeitho is not the same as that for Lledrod.though that does not necssarily also imply no relationship between the parties involved.I have always wondered why the property you were interested in was Strygos Fawr,particularly,as we had only ever found a Strygos(aka Esgair y Gors?).
In looking for Esgair Maen Fawr.common between the wills of Joseph Davies((1780) via his daughter Margaret,and Thomas Richards(1808) i came across a property called Esgair y Gors Fach,though there was no "Fawr" near by.It is close to Esgair Maen Fawr and another property called Blaen yr Esgair(and yet again there are very similar addresses in the general area).The approximate postcode is SY25 6LS,so you will see this conglomeration is not too far from other main properties of interest.
I suspect this Blaen yr Esgair(or similar) is the abode of the Thomas Richards of the 1808 will,and very ppossibly that of a Thomas Richard n 1761.
Building in to further speculaiton,there is a footnote in the following that says John Davies,son of Peter Davies of Caerllygest married Margaret,daughter of Joseph Davies of Penlan.Some caution will need to be taken linking the Petter Davies of the 1780 Joseph Davies will to  this,as he may have been from Glyn(ne).

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01j6b/

If I now turn to the 1701 Thomas Davies (Lledrod will) he specifies amongst others two nephews,Thomas and David John of Blaenpennal.If you are using the NLS website for maps,the square with Blaenpennal contains Esgair Maen Fawr etc).
Thomas is given in respect of Eskerygos(Fach or Fawr?) and Tyddyn yr Eithion Gleison(next to the "plain" Esgair y Gors(Fawr?)
David is given in respect of Pen Y Lan(Blaenpennal),Ffos Helligg(later Richard Davies,1795 indent?) and PantCamddwr).i
As nephews of Thomas Davies I wonder if these are patronymic names for brothers,sons to a John Davies,brother to Thomas,perhaps of the Caerllygest family?
Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Just getting ready for tonight's festivities ... we are an hour ahead of UK time.
  We have never been able to find the 'Twyn y rhose' in relation to  Strygos in Lledrod ... is there anything like that in your guess at there being another Strygos. Edward Richards, the 2nd son of James of Lledrod was a farmer at Ynys Ynyd in Llandyfrydog, Anglesey. After purchasing more land the farm changed its' name to Ynys Fawr ... there isn't an Ynys Bach there either.

I quote this Indent. (It show the whole early Richards family at Strygosfawr from Richard David, to David and Thomas Richards his sons).

  D.D.1460.Indenture, dated 1 Aug. 1769, being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from David Richards of Strygosfawr in the parish of Lledrod, CO. Cardigan, gent, (son and heir of Thomas Richards of the same place, gent., deceased by Magdalen his wife) to James Lloyd of Mabus, Cardigan, esq., of messuages and lands in the said parish of Lledrod, called Strygos otherwise Strygos- fawr, and Twyn y rhose, and late in the tenures of Magdalen Richards, David Richards, Richard David and Thomas Jones. Witnesses : Wm. Lewis; David Jones; Richard Philips.
 
Another early Indent from 1638 that shows the same place and position in Bryn Merllyd.

1638, Sept. 21
INDENTURE, (counterpart), being a grant from John Vaughan of Trowscoed, co. Card., esq., to Rees David ap Oliver of Lledrod, co. Card., gent., of a tmt called Llwyn-y-malis, and parts of two tmt’s called Esker-rygos and Bryn-merllyd in Lledrod aforesaid and in gr. Mevenith, co. Card.,

                                           Happy New Year from Peter.

[despair]

I did wonder whether the Ty'n y Rhos near Llwyn Gofre might be it,and they are both near a different Blaen yr Esgair than the one I identified earlier!In the NLS maps they are in the top left quadrant of the square marked Ffair Rhod.

Regards
Roger