David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.

[Viking666]

 I've been doing the same thing here without result. I just don't have the search engine or the knowledge to sort out the correct people from the multitude. Damn it.
                              Regards from Peter.

[despair]

I've been looking for any other wills than Benjamin's,associated with the children of Morgan Richards and their partners,but so far without success.I have not heard anything,either,from NLW re a will for Edward Richard's father.
I share your frustration with the names,mine centers around lack of dates to add structure.

I still favour John and James being the sons of Thomas and Jane,but can find no direct supporting evidence.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

The two possible dates that you have for Jane ... were they for deaths in Lledrod or in Westminster? (Even the date of 1765 means that James was only 3 years old when she died).
    We know that Thomas was in London re his brother, Benjamin's, will in 1765. (Benjamin must have been a bachelor as Thomas appears to be his next of kin).The journey from Lledrod to London in those days was quite a trip and I can't visualize Jane, with infant James in tow, making such a journey. (We often read that Lledrod and Ystradmeurig, were isolated communities, difficult to get to and just as difficult to get out of).
 We have a clear line from Thomas back to his grandfather David, his father, Morgan, and three of the siblings in London, (with contact between each other).
 I am tempted to take that as of some value; the little details and dates will probably always be points of conjecture but the basic facts remain. Notwithstanding  our prolonged scrutiny of anyone named Richard/s in the area, the reading of their documents and wills etc., we end up with this relatively simple blood-line.
  The Rev. David Richard's forebears may have been related to the folk at Lledrod and Ystradmeurig, (he appears to be the same age as Thomas,( the father of Edward Richard, schoolmaster, perhaps his brother). We'll never know.
 They have started showing, "Who do you think you are" here- the Swedish version. Oh dear ... records beautifully written, easily found and accessible without payment. In the Parish Registers when someone moves into or out of a house, it's recorded, the same for moving out of the area. The new area records them as arriving, their profession and any relevant death information and causes. Illegitimate children have the suspected father named, suicides, fatal accidents and plague.
Just great!
                                   Regards from Peter.

[despair]

The records are from Westminster,but there are no details of age or address,which makes them a guess.I can't find a record at the moment for either Cardiganshire or Rasdnorshire that would fit.I have been trying to find out what may have happened to Mary Richards,the sister.We have Benjamin,Thomas and Rachel(possibly born circa 1746/7),all in London circa 1765-7.

Regards
Roger

[Viking666]

Sabbatical has ended. No advancement on the London connection but a surprise discovery when searching Llandewi Brevi.
 A Bond dated 1721 regarding a David Richard, yeoman of Llandewi, deceased. the bond is drawn by a Mary Parry in which she promises to safeguard the assets of David's estate and to pass them on to his minor son, David Richard, and that she will act as his guardian until that date.
 There is no address or age given for David senior: he appears to be without a wife at this date but, with a son below the age of 17, it looks like yet another case of premature death.
 If David junior is, (as was Benjamin when his father died), just below 17 in 1721,  I would suggest that David junior is our Rev. David Richard of Llandewi Brevi. His first child, Elizabeth, would have been born circa 1730/1. The Rev. David, if born in the earliest range of possibility, (1705), could easily have married and had children by the early 1730's.
  There is a blood-line of premature deaths in this family, starting with the 1st David dying in 1721, with a minor child still living. Skip one. Then there is Morgan Richard that died with 4 minor children and then we have Thomas too, (plus his wife Jane), dying with 2 minor children.
 Once again, we have no positive proof that the latest David is the father of the Rev. David but he's certainly a good enough candidate to "pencil" in.
 This latest link to Llandewi spoils any attempt to link the other Richard/s families of Lledrod and Ystrad together but, at the back of my mind is some sneaky suspicion that this David was born circa 1680, as was Thomas, the father of Edward Richard.
 "The Rev. John was said to be kin of Edward Richard of Ystradmeurig school".
                               Check my thoughts.  Regards from Peter.

[despair]

I'm struggling to read that bond with quite the same interpretation.
Firstly,it is in the name of Richard David.
The David Richard referred to is "..the infant son of ??..." It might say " R David",but I am not sure.
If you are referring to the David Richards of Llandewibrefi of the 1756 will,I'm not aware he was a Reverend,though his eldest son Morgan was.
The David of the current bond,as an infant in 1721, would have been born 1715-1721(?),and cannot be the David of the 1756 will,as his son Morgan had several children starting circa 1730.

As usual the plethora of similar names makes things very difficult,particularly in the absence of birth/baptism dates.

[Viking666]

Yes,my rusty grey matter letting me down.
  The bond is for Richard David but the child is David Richard. The error made with the Rev. title is to give it to the wrong chap. As i said in my last post, the child David could have been born as early as 1705 and could have been the father of the Rev. Morgan Richard.
                                          Regards Peter

[despair]

I'm also beginning to question the identity(or possibly the number) of Thomas Richard(s) associated with the various records(groan).
There are records in the following years 1722,1738,1764,1777(refers to Thomas and Jane deceased,who we had identified as synonymous with Thomas of Parliament St. Margaret Westminster),but also now,I find,1780 and 1784"of Lledrod"(who appears to be the son of Morgan Richards/grandson of David of the 1756 will).


Indenture, being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from Thomas Richards of ..., 1780, Mar. 9. 

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Summary
Indenture, being a lease for a year (so that a grant by release might be made) from Thomas Richards of p. Lledrod, co. Card. (second son of Morgan Richards of p. Llanddewy Ystradeny, co. Rad., clerk, dec.) to Thomas Jones of Carmarthen, gent., of a tmt called Hendre Rees, p. Llanilar, co. Card. 

There are other anomalies I haven't resolved yet either(e.g. the appearance of a Lucy Richards as a sister to Rachel in an indenture when a Mary might have been expected).

Regards
Roger


 

[Viking666]

II.229
1754, Sept. 10
 INDENTURE, being a grant from David Richards of p. Llanddewy Brevy, co. Card., gent., to Thomas Davies of p. Llanbadarnfawr, co. Rad., clerk, of a tmt called Hendre Rees, p. Llanilar, co. Card., on trust for the said David Richards for his life, with remainder to Thomas Richards of p. Lledrod, co. Card., (second son of Morgan Richards of p. Llanddewy Ystradeny, co. Rad., clerk, dec., who was the eldest son of the said David Richards) and his issue, with similar remainders in succession to Rachel Richards and Lucy Richards, the dau’s of the said Morgan Richards, dec.

  We can see that this document shows Morgan Richards with his two daughters, Rachel and LUCY.
Dated 1754, this predates the reference to Thomas marrying a Lucy in London. Perhaps we can ignore the 2 entries that show Thomas as 'late' of Lledrod and the next doc that shows Thomas, Jane and Elizabeth Richards as 'dec'. We haven't allowed for erroneous entries in the docs that we've looked at. The above is a fine example of us being "led down the garden path".
 It means that I can now mention an entry from 1773 recording the birth of a child, Lucy, to Thomas and Jane Richard of Westminster.
 This adds validity to your last post that shows Thomas still alive in 1780.