The Duffy's.

[Devilish]

Hi,

I've got a request, and slightly unsure if I had to post in the Lancs or Irish part (as it covers these two areas, and London as well.)

I've got this Thomas Duffy which I believe was born in 1826(abt) in Liverpool. (other siblings Mary, 1829, and Susan, 1832).

Now the parents given are Theresa Riley (b.1799-1877) i think, Dublin - but the trace goes cold and I don't know of any record of her birth) and Thomas Duffy - who I have absolutely nothing about either, and wondering if anyone knows anythign about either of them too.

Only other info I have is Theresa (Riley)'s death in 1877 in a workhouse in London; and Theresa Duffy (1839-1888) -- put in ancestry as "half sibling" as her birth record had no father listed.

The younger Theresa Duffy leads to marrying Charles Manser; then follows a line down to me, eventually.

I'm wondering if anybody can help tie these together (despite my post being a bit of mess) particularly the Thomas Duffy (was he born in Liverpool, hence why I posted here) part, that's been bugging me for over a year now!

Thanks
Richard

[heywood]

Hello,

Where is your information from? You say you have  Thomas Duffy and parents are given as Theresa Riley - where is it given?

The marriage of Charles Manser and Theresa Lavinia Riley has her father as Thomas Riley, Crossing Sweeper.

Do you have her in any census as Riley?

Heywood

[Devilish]

sorry, yeah I didn't explain it very well.

census records started it off;

Charles Manser (b 1839) m. Theresa Duffy (1839-1888) who I spoke about.

That marriage was in 1860 In Marylebone.

Next.

Theresa Duffy b.1839 in a Workhouse, St marylebone. Mother is Theresa Duffy again. (no father - from birth certificate.)

the problem here is because Theresa Lavinia "Riley" wasn't riley at all. It was Duffy. We think Riley was a name used by her mother? I did find out before but I can't remember when or where.
--edit - The Banns listed shows her as Riley - but checking birth records shows no Theresa Riley's actually existing and didn't make any sense at the time.

That's why the father you put as Thomas Riley, Crossing Sweeper, not sure if it is that or not!...and that's where I get confused.

[heywood]

Here is 1851 Piece 1488. Folio 10 Page. 43
11North Street St Marylebone

Theresa Duffey 52 yrs widow Laundress b Dublin
Susan Duffey daur 17 yrs. laundress b Liverpool
Theresa Duffey daur 12 yrs b Marylebone   Deaf
Thomas Duffey son 25 yrs b Liverpool



So now it makes more sense.

[heywood]

1841 they are Duffy

Serisa Duffy and family

[Devilish]

Yep, those 1841 & 51 are correct.

Now it gets more tricky.

Theresa's father on the baptism is James Hoy.

But.
Who was the Thomas "Riley" from earlier, there is no records about him or whoever he is (the father I presume to the other children, Thomas, Mary & Susan.

[heywood]

There are baptisms in Liverpool for Thomas 1825, Susan 1832 and possibly the same family Peter in 1834. Parents named as Thomas and Theresa Duffy.

Do you have that information?

[Devilish]

I don't.

Any further information going back knowing more about Thomas & Theresa Duffy would be welcome - although Thomas might be suitable for the lancashire thread, I think the irish one would be needed for Theresa!

[heywood]

I can't see anything else sorry.
Theresa may just have made the name up.