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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #81 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 20:15 BST (UK) »
Gosh, you're going fast Gaynor,
I had a quick look and it seems that or the date in the index is wrong, or the date in ‘zoeken naar personen’ where it is listed as 02/02/1795 cert / entry n° 77 in the parish of La Chapelle at Brussels, which is Onze-Lieve-Vrouw-ter-Kapelle / Notre Dame de la Chapelle  (parish register not civil registration, the civil registration in Belgium starts around June 1796, in some towns a little earlier  or later, republican calender)
the spouses and the witnesses do sign depending whether they can write or not

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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #82 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 20:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Leen

I am on page 66 lol and still no sign of them. On the index register it just says their names, Simon Joseph & Theresa Van ___ and then it looks like 21 and then altered to a 4 (?) Above it says 1796 that is why I presumed it wld be at beginning of the register. So am I looking in the wrong place, yes..oh dear no wonder I cannot see them. I couldn't see that info you have i.e. cert No 77 etc maybe there is another index I haven't seen.

Will start again.

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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #83 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 20:44 BST (UK) »
Blimey!!!

I didn't realise you can put person's name in and then see results, wow that is a quick shortcut,thank you so much for that. Can I do that for everybody lol, gueSs not I am not that lucky lol
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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #84 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 21:07 BST (UK) »
No you can't do that for everybody (yet), that would be too easy

you surely did a good job Gaynor, you found a lot. You probably had the same teacher as me  ;D, it's not the French : saveure is sa veuve (his widow), Dessree is Dewree, you see it's the handwriting.

marriage Gallemaert - Dewrée  Brussels
The 26th day of the month April year 1820 at 10:45 in the morning.
Marriage certificate of Joseph Gallemaert born in this city in the year 1796 the 7th April, labourer, living at Terre Neuve n° 172 with his parents, minor son of Simon Joseph Gallemaert and of Therese Rinsfeld, spouses, labourers, one party and of Livine De Wrée, born in this city the 1st thermidor year 5 of the French Republic, lacemaker, living at rue de la Coupe n° 1253 section 5 with her mother. Adult daughter of Jean Dewree and of Anne Ettebod, his widow, labourer, the other party.The preliminary documents are : his milicien certificate; the marriage publication, done in this city by me officer of the civil registry at the 16th and 23rd last and posted according the law, no opposition being reported, after reading chapter VI of the law of the 11th March 1803, the birth certificates of the couple and the other documents, all properly done. The said spouses declared to take in marriage the one Livine Dewree and the other Joseph Gallemaert, in the presence of the father and mother of the future spouses, of Leonard Ettebod, 43 years old, labourer, living at rue de Schaerbeke, of Louis Van Rinsfeld, 52 years old, labourer, Terre Neuve, uncles and of André Duchant, 50 years old, shoemaker, rue de la Coupe. After which, I, Baron Louis Devos,  Chevalier de l’Ordre Royal du Lion Belgique, alderman, officer of the civil registration, the undersigned, pronounced in the name of the law,  that the said spouses are united in marriage, and I have signed after the reading of this certificate.
Which spouses have declared that they (recognize  /acknowledge ) Simon De Wree as their legitimate child, born of them the 1th June 1817 in this city, registered under n° 1525, and have declared not being able to write as well as the witnesses and the mother.
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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #85 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 21:28 BST (UK) »
 :-[ Leen I am terrible with handwriting especially if it isn't English. How I regret not doing languages at school. My granddaughter is very good picking up languages but she is off to uni on Sunday so wont bmuch help lol and my friends son-in-law is a teacher and away traing days so cannot help me if need be till weekend. Thanks for that translation it will really help.

I am on the following page etc but still can't see the name of Gallamaert (maybe I need some new specs)

Belgium, Brabant, Civil Registration, 1582-1914
Brussel
Huwelijken 1797 1 aug-1800
 Image  of 421

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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #86 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 21:30 BST (UK) »
 :-[ :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Ha Leen sorry no wonder I am on civil marriages not parish registers...hi ho it's off we go again!!!!

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I must repeat 100 times "I will find Simon Joseph Gallamaert before I go to bed!!

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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #87 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 21:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Leen
Well I am going to admit defeat  :'(

I looked on the civil marriages site and he's not there and then I tried Belgium marriages 1500 etc but can only search with a surname and nothing is coming up for a Simon Joseph Gallamaert (unless surname is spelt wrong). D I need to go back onto the civil marriage site?
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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #88 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 22:22 BST (UK) »
the date in the index is the right one 02/02/1796,  no cert number
you got the date, so now you must search for the cert on the State Archives.
go to the parish registers of Brussels and then
- Brussel / Bruxelles, Onze-Lieve-Vrouw-ter-Kapelle / Notre Dame de la Chapelle
   - Parochieregisters. Huwelijksakten / Registres Paroissiaux. Actes de mariages
      - Parochieregisters. Huwelijksakten en huwelijksbeloften / Registres Paroissiaux. Actes de mariages et promesses
        - 00/01/1794 - 07/09/1796

 (because you need your sleep to be fit for the laundry tomorrow  ;D the entry is on image 48)
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Re: Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium
« Reply #89 on: Wednesday 09 September 15 22:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks Leen I was tearing my hair out looking or this. I never thought to go to state archives I was still looking on Family Search what a dopey person I am :-[

I must admit my eyes (and brain) are getting very sleepy. I have been looking on & off all day. I will look at that then I think I will have an early night as it is now 1/2 10 and husband has gone to London for the night.

As for laundry - no chance!!! I will do mine at the weekend but granddaughter has to do hers as she needs it for Saturday. I have done my bit because I bought some fabric conditioner for the washer today at shops so they have no excuse. Mind you it is that cold I doubt it will dry outside. Feels like winter is here already not Autumn. The only bit I like about autumn/winter is the food...stews, chunky soups, casseroles, sponge puddings mmm the  list goes on & on and so do the lbs!!!!!
Goodnight, god bless, talk in the morning.
Gaynor x