Madeleine Eugenie Emilie Stephany was a Catholic, she was born Antwerp Belgium

[GAYNORI]

Hello Leen
Its me....again! Sorry tokeep pestering you .

I think on the index were I read it as Van Bupe it cld have been shortened from ? Baptiste.

Also I noticed that you said the three children of Gallemaert & Van Vaeter were legitimised after the marriage. I could not find the marriage indexes for the period after Clara's birth in 1860. It appears the index was missing so I was wondering if you had an approx. date or did you check the indexes on Family Search rather then Belgian State Archives?

Kind Regards
Gaynor x

[leen]

Yep, you have the right page (thumbnail image ?) and it is Petrus Joannes Baptista, shortened in the index as Petrus Jan Bapt  and Maria Francisca, just as you thought. The given names ar written in the latin form, the 'm' has something to do with the grammatical sense,accusative or something like that, as far I understand, I only know some genealogy Latin.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g2i/     (log in)

Anno Domini 1760 die 19e augusti R.D.  V.Van der Haeghe vicar noster de expressa mea licentia uno præmisso banno cum
dispansatione super duobis aliis matrimonio junxit per verba de præsenti Petrum Joannem Baptistam Danckaert vidium, natum
in hac Bewesterpoort et Mariam Franciscam Ronse, natam in hac inter urbis limites coram testibus Petro Jacobo De Viez, conjugato
S.Walburgis et Mathaeo De Saever.   F:A: De Cuijpere, pastor.
(Bewesterpoort was a hamlet /rural arrea at Veurne)

The three first childeren of Gallemaert-Van Vaeter were legitimised on the marriage of their parents, it is stated in the marriage cert en in the margin of the childerens birth cert . I didn’t check the index for that marriage, I found the reference in the margin of their daughter Anna Gallemaert her birth cert (margin : Huwelijks-Akte der Ouders Jaer 1860 n° 728).

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g2j/ 

For the missing 10 years index (Antwerp marriages 1851-1860),  see familysearch Antwerpen  film Tienjarige tafels 1843-1860. 

Leen

[GAYNORI]

Hi Leen

Thank you for looking at that, I'm getting quite good looking things up but terrible at trying to translate them When it is in English then you can try to fill in the gaps with supposed words if the writing is unclear but when you don't speak the language it is hard to fill in the gaps.
 I thought it might be Latin. Google does Latin translations so will put that in.

Missed that marriage for Anna's parents that will be my task for today!

Just looked for Nelly's brother. He was called Karl when he lived in England but I think it might be Carolus.Accoding to Nelly he worked at a quarry where the marble was sent to USA for statue of Liberty. I checked the births from 1902 backwards to when Nelly was born in 1896 but nothing similar. In fact just three males but I am now going to look at their baptisms just in case he decided to call himself Karl when in fact his real name is nothing like Karl. Also he may be the product of Carolus 2nd marriage so will search from 1904 forward. (Don't mind searching now as I seem to be getting the hang of it in the registers etc) In the parish registers I look at the first page of each row to give me an idea whether it is in this row seems to cut a lot of the time down.
Well here I go again, hope my husband is not expecting his dinner early!!!
Kind Regards
Gaynor

[leen]

Oh no, I forgot ‘Database Akten West-Vlaanderen’ again, sorry.  The indexing of the Belgian registers is still ongoing
but the biggest part that already have been done are those of West Flanders.  So, when you are searching for someone in West Flanders, always check ‘Search persons’ on the State Archives or ‘Database Akten West-Vlaanderen’ first. 
The data from Akten West-Vlaanderen is also on the State Archives (on the state Archives you can search on variants). Some of the search results on ‘Database Akten West-Vlaanderen’ gives direct access to the actual register (not all yet).

Search Persons  Belgian State Archives     http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g2p/

Database Akten West-Vlaanderen     http://www.vrijwilligersrab.be/en/node/207


Antwerp  Births Ten year index 1891-1900 (A-L) (on familysearch)    http://www.rootschat.com/links/01g2o/

groetjes
Leen

[GAYNORI]

Good Morning Leen,

Well thank you for that and your other sound advice. Using what you taught me  I managed to find Joanne Baptiste's marriage certificate and then I found his birth certificate in Brussels 1831 Image 134)

His  parents were Joseph & Levine Dessree (or similar!) so I decided to go back from his birth to see if I could find their marriage in the Indexes. I thought I had found it shortened to Jos but after much trawling through it turned out to be a Jacobus, so wasted a lot of time!!.

So I started again and the first page I looked at was for him and his wife. They married 26 April 1820 in Brussels (Image No 345)

Joseph's parents were Simon Joseph and his wife was Theresa Van Rinsfeld )
 Her parents were Jean Desssree and Anne Ettebod,  (There is another word Saveure ,but I am not too sure  whether this is her surname and Ettebod is a middle name) It doesn't seem to translate in Google!

Also I think it says that Levine lived in Republic of France for either last 5 years or just five years. My schoolgirl French is atrocious, teacher was right when he said I should pay more attention in class!

Even though I couldn't translate them properly I felt pretty pleased with myself 

The intrepid travellers arrived home last night and my hallway is a mass of emptied suitcases and dirty laundry. I have left the wash powder & conditioner on top of the washer. I hope they don't think I will be washing clothes today....I am far to busy with more important things!

Kind Regards
Gaynor x

[GAYNORI]

Leen I have just found it  can't quite believe it!!! It is on 4/21? February 1796 in the Tien Tainijanges Yipeee!

That will now give me the scope to look for Joseph's baptism i.e. between 1796 -1800?

Just going to check out the actual marriage register to see the actual document.
Hope it will be as easy as this all days.

Kind Regards
Gaynor

[GAYNORI]

Hi Leen

I shouldn't have been so confident 

I am looking at the marriage register (in French) trying to pick out the name of Gallemaert. I know it is in the front bit as it is Feb 1796 & registers are 1796-1797!!!!! but there is no number given in the indexes aaggggh!

Kind Regards
Gaynor.

[GAYNORI]

Hi Leen

Would you mind looking at one of the marriages in the 1796-1797  Brussels Registers. I cannot find out where the month is shown although it seems to be a pretty standard format. This way I thought I could skip January (Janvier) & at least get to February (Fevrier) 1796. I just cannot for the life of me see where they have put the month in it. I would have thought it was at the beginning of the certificate but seems not.

Kind Regards
Gaynor

[GAYNORI]

Leen Just had a thought. Can I skip the full transcription and just look for a signature. Does the bridegroom sign at the bottom or is that just the witnesses. The signatures are very clear so might save me a bit of time.

Kind Regards
Gaynor