Percy Platt - Illegitimate/Adopted Bolton 1898

[iolaus]

I have emailed the National Archives asking how I can get Fredericks records .. some people say its easy .. others not.

I think a lot depends on when they died, mine died over 100 years ago so it was easy, it's when they died less than 100 years ago that they can be funny about them (part of the reason is said to be because other people named in them - the staff etc - may still be alive)

[Waterloo24]

Just got an email from a lovely man at the Liverpool Records Office ..... Excited 

 
I have found Frederick T Platt in the indexes to Rainhill Asylum.  He was patient 30053, admitted 2/9/1931) and has an “A” by his name implying he was in the Annexe for dementia patients.
He was chargeable to CB of Bolton and died there on 9/7/1935.(not sure what this means???)
 
Unfortunately the two main sources of information are both missing from the archive : admission papers and the case book file. What we have is not complete.
However, we do have an admission register (614 RAI 5/35), a medical register (614 15/1) and a death statement book (614 RAI 20/21) which cover the right period and which would give some information though by no means as comprehensive as the two items above.

Its a start !!

[iolaus]

council borough of Bolton maybe - ie that they were paying for his care

With my ancestor the records weren't complete and I think I have what they say you have on your ancestor - it still had loads of info in it (including a photograph) and may give you an insight into another family member, mine was committed by his elder son who lived a few doors away.  Had name of family doctor and so on on the admission sheet

[Waterloo24]

Gosh that sounds great .. a photo would be amazing.

I only have a 1 photo of Percy at mums wedding so any other face would be pretty big ... even his brother ( who may not look his best)

Just got to arrange a UK cheque on Monday and I will get them ordered.

Thanks so much for advising re content .. would have loved full records but anything at all is good x

council borough of Bolton maybe - ie that they were paying for his care

With my ancestor the records weren't complete and I think I have what they say you have on your ancestor - it still had loads of info in it (including a photograph) and may give you an insight into another family member, mine was committed by his elder son who lived a few doors away.  Had name of family doctor and so on on the admission sheet

[Waterloo24]

Finally documents have started to arrive.

Alice appears to be Margaret's Mother which is great.

Still unsure of Margarets Birthdate but Alice Platt died 17th April 1873 so Margaret would have been a baby. Alice was 30 years old.

Address appears to be Red Bank Something ?

Alice Platt was the wife of William Platt (Coal Miner) - still no sign of a marriage 

Cause of Death was Endocandilitis ? Certified

Informant was James Dickinson - Present at Death - then something else I cant read !

Also have Fredricks Asylum records which I will post below 

Hoping Margaret, Fredericks and Johns Death Certificates arrive tomorrow x

[Waterloo24]

Fredericks Records From Rainhill Asylum. I am becoming quite fond of poor Fred 

Not as much info as I had hoped but the Researcher is looking at the medical codes to see what else there is to see.

Not sure if anyone here is good with these types of records and can explain anything that I don't really understand ... although I shall be chatting to Mr Google later 

Frederick Thomas Platt was admitted Sept 2nd 1931 Age 29
Urgency Order 4th August (1932) and 3rd August 1933.
Reception Order August 27 1931
He is listed as State Aided but as Private under Statutory Transfer
The only observations are that he died on 9th July 1935

Under Medical Register he is listed as a Farm Labourer. Rate Assisted. Certified
Occupation Group Sub Group and Sub Division is G a 1

He is listed as aged 29 on admission and aged 29 on Current and first Attack. This is his First attack and has lasted a few days
Under Atiological Factors Principal K3 - No associated Factors
Instances of Epilepsy 1
Form of Mental Illness II1

Death Notice gives Cause of Death as Epilepsy

Researcher has advised that he was admitted to the Annexe which was for patients with Dementia.

Hopefully he will come back with a bit more 

[heywood]

Hello again,
Glad that all is working out 

Margaret was a Dickinson in a census - I think Alice was the Dickinson wasn't she?

Poor Fred- he seems to have had a rough deal.

Heywood 

[Waterloo24]

Yes Alice I believe was Alice Dickenson daughter of John and Margaret. She had a brother James
(who would probably be the one named as informant). James lived next door to his Parents and Margaret in 1881 and had a young daughter called Alice !

Margaret was Platt when she was with her grandparents in 1881 but was Dickinson by 1891 and then back to Platt.

You have now got me thinking ... maybe she was born Dickenson not Platt ... William Platt is another elusive chappy.

Feeling for Fred right now. Margaret had a tough old time from birth by the look of things 

[Waterloo24]

Well there you go. From the Researcher 

Under aetiological factors K3 refers to epilepsy and under forms of mental Illness II 1 refers to insanity with epilepsy.

The occupation code Ga1 I don’t have any chart for.