Percy Platt - Illegitimate/Adopted Bolton 1898

[Waterloo24]

Thank you Heywood

Also noticed trawling back that someone had noticed the Percy link earlier .. you lot are very clever.

I will be sure to post when I get the certificates and the elusive military records x

[Waterloo24]

Well first of all I need to thank everyone for your help and the suggestion of the Thomas boys possible connection to my granddad ... actually feel a little emotional after receiving their birth certificates today :

Frederick Thomas 22nd July 1902
Father John Bramwell Thomas Drapers Assistant
Mother Margaret Ann Thomas Formerly Platt
4 Grass? Class?  Street Kendal

John Percy Thomas 16th October 1905
Father John Bramwell Thomas Drapers Assistant
Mother Margaret Ann Thomas Formerly Platt
32 Union Street Kendal

 So they are his brothers :-)

And I am guessing that John Bramwell Thomas is his father as well ( hence the reason he is living with Percy and the boys in 1911 in Bolton)

I guess my next step is to try and find Margaret and Johns marriage certificate so I can get more details on them both.
Also need to find them on the 1901 census in Kendal.

As always my mind is now wondering about a million things .. where was Margaret in 1911 .. surely not already in the asylum?

Any help from here as always would be much appreciated and Thank you so much to everyone who has played a part so far in helping me find such an important part of my puzzle x

[..claire..]

Hi,

What good news, you are finally getting some answers.

Just going back over some of the replies you mentioned a Margaret Ann Thomas that died in 1945 at 449 Rochdale Road Oldham. That was actually the General Hospital and formally the workhouse. The link tells you all about it.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Oldham/

Claire

[heywood]

That's great news and as you say, quite emotional.

John BT may not be his father though- they may just be half brothers. I only say that because he would have been called Thomas, I would think. Nevertheless, it is a brilliant find. 


Heywood

[Waterloo24]

Thank you Claire

I was just looking at that again myself.

I think I have found Margaret and John in Westmorland in 1901 .. she is stated as 29 and he 49 .. so the in 1945 she would have been 75 not 65 as the death record but I guess that could be an error.

Really hoping she was not in an Asylum all those years x

Hi,

What good news, you are finally getting some answers.

Just going back over some of the replies you mentioned a Margaret Ann Thomas that died in 1945 at 449 Rochdale Road Oldham. That was actually the General Hospital and formally the workhouse. The link tells you all about it.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Oldham/

Claire

[heywood]

Where did you find the record re her death in Oldham?

[Waterloo24]

Thank you Heywood .. you were a big support in getting me here.

I suspected he was Percys dad due to the fact that Percy was actually Thomas Percy and there was mention that the name Thomas may be a nod to the father.

Also I am wondering why John would have moved to Bolton from Kendal with his sons to live with Percy if there was no connection ... does that make sense?

Thanks again

That's great news and as you say, quite emotional.

John BT may not be his father though- they may just be half brothers. I only say that because he would have been called Thomas, I would think. Nevertheless, it is a brilliant find. 


Heywood

[Waterloo24]

Just trying to find it again now as I didn't save it ... it was a probate record I am pretty sure as I saw the full address  :-)

Where did you find the record re her death in Oldham?

[heywood]

Of course it makes sense- I just am erring on the side of caution.

It looks as though JBT may have been married to Lily Blake - online tree.
He seems to be in Stretford in 1881 and Southport in 1891.

Do you need details?

I'll look re probate too.