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Re: Found in the field. Button from uniform ?
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 19 July 14 22:35 BST (UK) »
Oh my I thought this would be fairly easy to find.
I think I am slowly coming to the realisation that this is possibly Victorian Romanticism !
Will be sorely disappointed if that is the case.

Thank you again for your post replies

W/T
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Re: Found in the field. Button from uniform ?
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 19 July 14 23:41 BST (UK) »
Good evening again,

I think this best explains the positioning of arms, helms and crests. Also what the different parts meant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crest_(heraldry)

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Re: Found in the field. Button from uniform ?
« Reply #29 on: Monday 21 July 14 16:26 BST (UK) »
The button with the lion holding a shield is almost certainly a livery button, containing the crest (in this case, on a wreath (or torse) a lion rampant holding in its forepaws a shield, probably of the coat of arms of the owner, with a coronet of rank over the lion's head (baron, as has been noted).

Going through Fairbairn's Crests, the closest I have found is:

Foley, Baron (Foley), of Kidderminster, Worcs., a lion rampant arg[ent], holding between the forepaws an escutcheon charged with the arms, viz.: arg[ent], a fesse engrailed between three cinquefoils, all within a bordure sa[ble].

In other words, a white shield with a horizontal black stripe across the middle, its edges scooped out, between three black stylized five-petaled flowers, with a black edging going around the entire shield.

Looking at the photograph of the button, I cannot be certain that the shield the lion holds is the same as that described by Fairbairn, but it might be.

The other crests found in Fairbairn's which are similar, Clark and Beynon, seem to be less likely.  The lion in Clark's crest is holding a shield gyronny of eight, which the shield on the button clearly is not.  The lion in Beynon's crest is holding a shield charged with a greyhound's head. 

I hope that this is at least a little helpful.

David

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Re: Found in the field. Button from uniform ?
« Reply #30 on: Monday 21 July 14 21:26 BST (UK) »
David,

Thank you, your reply is more than a little helpful I had not realised what I was letting myself in for !
Understanding all the variations is a mine field.

Dare I ask if any of you would like to hazard at a guess as to the age of the button ? The estate still holds a lot of records to shooting parties and if I could narrow it down I may be able to find a family the crest relates too.

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Re: Found in the field. Button from uniform ?
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 22 July 14 07:14 BST (UK) »
I found this site www.buttoncrs.com/intellectual/patentsuk.html
it would appear that your type of button f21-f23 was patented by R.Elsdon Jan 29th 1884 patent no.2346 with other patents through to 1895
If the link is broken just google british patent 2346  R Elsdon 1884.

James