Found in the field. Button from uniform ?

[John915]

Good evening,

This is the shop/factory now, it is just off Regent st; http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/directory/1195/40846.php

John915

[Welsh terrier]

Yes there is Frank.
A quick reckoning would suggest one of three very large land owners. Our farm now straddles all three places so would need to do a little research to see if the button is relevant to any Scottish Lairds ?
Thou it would not surprise me if it was a English owner as many would travel the distance to spend the summers here on their sporting estates.

Thank you for your response it gives me food for thought and maybe I'll find more things.
W/T

[Welsh terrier]

John915,

Thank-you

[macintosh]

I don't think there is an inscription below the lion just a line of twisted cord that some heraldic coats of arms and in particular scottish clan crests have, the cord is usually bi coloured in a painted version,  google Scottish Clan crests  and select images.

James

[macintosh]

I wonder if the disc like object is a primitive pocket sundial, I have seen on a church wall similar indentations and the seeker of the time just inserts a twig into the centre hole,

is it a converted coin or a disc of lead?

James

[Welsh terrier]

James,

Thank-you for your input. I have just returned from our local laboratory (using their facilities) and yes the lion is standing on a twisted cord.
More intriguing is your suggestion of the coin/disc I have. It is 3.5cm in dia. and a heavy thing so possible it is lead, under the microscope the letter "K" or "R" is actually a very primitive drawing of a deer/stag ? There are twelve holes graduating from the middle ?I need to keep dipping in warm water and brushing with soft toothbrush and see if I can make it any clearer.

W/T

[macintosh]

The crown above the lion is a Baronial coronet so a  titled family, The lead disc (if it is lead) may be a flattened musket ball that has been fashioned into whatever it purports to be, potentially a pocket sundial.

James

[Welsh terrier]

James can I please pick your brains even further ?
To recap :-
A lion standing on his right leg, facing to the left, on top of twisted braid/cord, holding a shield in his paws with a crown on his head.
 Any idea what the shield may depict ?

W/T

[macintosh]

I searched for the same thing on google and the only thing that was similar was the family crest of Sir George Burns but without the coronet, who was a partner of Sir Samuel Cunard, Burns family crest depicted lion rampant, as is yours, holding the world globe, obviously symbolic of maritime industry, I suspect your shield will have something similar if the family name could be found.

There is a website which I have lost now but if you put into google Livery button collections, then you may get some additional help there.
There is also a section on here under Special Interests for Heraldry where someone may be able to identify the symbolism of you crest on the button.
My home town has the Blue Lion Rampant of the De Brus family, forebears of the Scottish Bruce, also depicting the  maritime industry by three sailing ships.
It is only a pity that some of the detail of the  has been lost from the button.
The crown is above the head not on it.
Some really interesting finds.


James