Found in the field. Button from uniform ?

[Welsh terrier]

Hello all !
I have recently dug up these items in a field on my farm and am hoping that someone is able to recognise them?
Poss. silver, convex, Crown at the top, lion beneath standing up on his right leg, left leg up. Holding some thing like a shield in both paws.
The "coin" ? Large and heavy with K or R in the middle on one side with indentations at north/east/south/west. Other side with indentations of spiral design.

[MaxD]

What is the inscription/device below the lion on the curve of the ?button and is the lettering on the back readable?

[Welsh terrier]

Hi maxD,
I am afraid the photo is as close as I can get.
The lettering on the back is impossible to read other than on the second picture.
I will try to take more pics and see if I can make it any clearer.

W/T

[jess5athome]

Hi, I think the button could possibly be a Livery Button.

Frank.

[Welsh terrier]

Thank you Frank....will need more research.

maxD I have managed to get a closer look at writing on back and can read some :-
13 Con?uit St. London..Mins???// and the rest is impossible to read.

W/T

[Welsh terrier]

Just to add further intrigue I also have this button which is very corroded but you can just see Two lions either side of shield in middle ......very little else can be  read.

W/T

[MaxD]

That one looks very like your bog standard lion and unicorn, the UK symbols.  Used, among others, as the badge of the General Service Corps (many images on Google).

Useful and relevant info on button makers at 13 Conduit Street

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/button-makers.html
MaxD

[Welsh terrier]

Many thanks.....MaxD.
W/T

[jess5athome]

Hi, I agree with maxD, the other one looks to be a General Service button.

Regarding the first one, is there any history of a large house or Manor nearby, or a property owned by wealthy people who could have had servants and grooms etc?

Frank.