Alexander Grout 1906

[Ceeoh]

Is anyone visiting Middlesbrough Library who would look up a baptism please.

Alexander Grout born 5th October 1905 in Guisborough.  A look-up for the parish church (St. Nicholas) would be appreciated, would possibly show his parents and an address.

Many thanks

Ceeoh

[davidft]

I am a little puzzled why you ask for the baptism as you have his birthdate and I assumed this means you have his birth certificate.

If this is wrong and you would like the details I can give you them from the censuses if that helps (note some census records are freely available on familysearch and freecen whilst all of them are available on pay sites like ancestry and findmypast)

[avm228]

A public tree shows him as having been adopted by a Peacock family, so perhaps it is thought a baptism will show him with natural parents? (Not necessarily).

The 5 Oct 1905 birthdate is shown on the death registration of Alexander Grout, Mar qtr 1974 Teesside.  His birth was apparently registered as Alexander Grout, Mar qtr 1906 Guisborough- so a late registration if the birthdate is correct (42 days from 5 October would mean the deadline for registration fell in November 1905).

[Ceeoh]

Many thanks for replies.

I knew about the adoption (whether legal or informal - not known).  l do have the information from his death registration and census returns.  I was hoping there would be an entry in a baptism register which would show his biological parent/s.  I am trying to fit him into the Grout family which is a very big family - the Yorkshire branch (most of them Guisborough) stemming from Charles Grout (born Loughton Essex) and Mary (Ann) Smith.

Ceeoh

[KGarrad]

Formal, legal, adoption didn't start until 1927.
It was most likely an informal adoption.

[davidft]

Alexander was the son of Edward Grout and Annie Isabella Beadle who married in 1893

Marriages Mar 1893   
Beadle    Annie Isabella        Guisbro' 9d   640
Grout    Edward         Guisbro'  9d   640


The family home was 21 Mill Street where they were living in 1901 and Annie was still living after Edward’s death in 1910.

Deaths Sep 1910   
Grout    Edward    38    Guisbro 9d   304


Annie herself remarried in 1917

Marriages Sep 1917   
Bennett    Thomas    Grout    Guisbro 9d   837
Grout    Annie I    Bennett    Guisbro 9d   837


The early death of his father and the remarriage of his mother may both be factors leading to Alexander’s adoption

[Ceeoh]

Many thanks Davidft, now I know exactly where he belongs (perhaps).  I will pass this on to rootschatter Stroudie.   Edward and Isabella are her great grandparents.  That makes 13 children for Edward and Isabella.
It's a bit odd as John Thomas Grout was born to Edward and Isabella 20 February 1905 (d1917) - Alexander's birthday is supposd to be 5 October 1905, so they were not twins and also not even eight months apart!  I have copies of the baptism register for all twelve born to Edward and Isabella, but Alexander is not there.

Seems a bit strange that one child out of thirteen would not be baptised.  Also there were three children born after 1905.  1906, 1908 and 1910.  Why part with that particular child when there were babies needing more attention.  The last one born on the day Edward died.

Bottom line:
I cannot see him under Alexander either as Grout or Peacock from 1905 to 1910
He wasn't a twin to John Thomas and there was less than eight months between their births.

So?  Is there some confirmation he is a child of Edward and Isabella?

Regards
Ceeoh

[stroudie]

This is a very quick reply as I don't have time to check facts at the moment but can do later today. Edward and Annie Isabella Grout are my great grandparents. I am not aware that Alexander is their child.

I think the Annie Isabella Grout who married Bennett is their daughter. Is he really Thomas Grout Bennett? This seems odd as apart from this family it is not a local name.

I'm sure Annie Isabellan(known as Isabel) Grout Snr did not remarry. I have her death cert as Grout in 1959.

[KGarrad]

Wouldn't spending £9.25 on the birth certificate settle the question?!