Alexander Grout 1906

[Ceeoh]

The marriage between Grout and Bennett was the daughter of Edward and Annie Isabella:

29 September 1917, Parish Church St Nicholas Guisborough
Annie Isabella Grout aged 21 years, spinster, resident 25 Auckland Street, Guisborough, daughter of Edward Grout, potato merchant.
Thomas Bennett aged 22 years, bachelor, a miner, resident 52 Walker Row, Middlesbrough, son of William Bennett, a miner.

Yes a birth certificate should solve the problem but not at our rate of exchange at the moment, we pay R18.33 for £1.   R169.50 for a certficate from here.

Regards

Ceeoh

[davidft]

Bottom line:
I cannot see him under Alexander either as Grout or Peacock from 1905 to 1910
He wasn't a twin to John Thomas and there was less than eight months between their births.

Have you ruled out this


Births Mar 1906   

Grout  Alexander    Guisbro'  9d 523

In respect of the 5 Oct 1905 birth date taken from the death certificate is only as accurate as the person giving the information ie they may have it wrong

Edit : I was convinced I had Alexander on the 1911 census yesterday but looking today I have not so its either the birth certificate mentioned above or a baptism record from the archives (if it exists). Sorry if I have confused things

[davidft]

This is a very quick reply as I don't have time to check facts at the moment but can do later today. Edward and Annie Isabella Grout are my great grandparents. I am not aware that Alexander is their child.

I think the Annie Isabella Grout who married Bennett is their daughter. Is he really Thomas Grout Bennett? This seems odd as apart from this family it is not a local name.

I'm sure Annie Isabellan(known as Isabel) Grout Snr did not remarry. I have her death cert as Grout in 1959.

Yes my apologies I never looked to see if it could be a daughter

[Ceeoh]

Alexander:
Free BMD has his birth registered 1st quarter 1906 (January to March) Guisborough
FindMyPast has his birth registered 1st quarter 1906 (January to March) Guisborough
1911 Census image on FindMyPast records him as Alexandra (sic), male, age 5 years, adopted, living with Thomas Franks Peacock and family, 15 Allison Street, Guisborough.
FindMyPast Death registration records death 1st quarter of 1974 (January to March) registered Teesside, birth 5 October 1905.

As mentioned previously, all the above relies on the accuracy of the person registering the event.

If he was born 5th October 1905 his birth should have been registered no later than 16th November 1905. 
If his age of 5 is accurate on the 1911 census his 6th birthday would have been after the 2nd April.
If he was born 1905 and registered late 1906 it could have something to do with the time of his adoption.

There seemed to be no effort to change his name - he was born (registered) and died as Grout.
I can find no record of him having married.

Hopefully SKS may have the time to check the baptism registers.

Ceeoh

[KGarrad]

The birth is registered in Guisborough Registration District.

There are 28 parishes in Guisborough Registration District!
So difficult to know which PR to search?

That's why I said it would be easier to buy the certificate!

[Ceeoh]

Hi,
If I lived in England and had an income in GBP I would be quite happy to buy a certificate - but RSA Rand

I was pinning my hopes on the fact that this huge Grout family were actually Guisborough based when I asked for a look-up, although the adoptive parents were living in Lingdale in 1901 and Guisborough in 1911, (father born Nunthorpe mother born Stokesley).  1911 presumeably filled in by Thomas F Peacock the adoptive father does say Alexander's birth place was Guisborough.

Perhaps there will be some serendipity or a win on the lotto!

Regards

Ceeoh

[davidft]

Alexander Grout

Birth: 4 January 1906, 9 Hutton’s Yard. Guisborough
Father: John William Grout, Ironstone miner
Mother: Margaret Elizabeth Grout formerly Coates
Informant: M E Grout, mother, 9 Hutton’s Yard
Registered: 13 February 1906

The reason why Alexander was adopted out could be that his mother died in 1908.
His parents married in 1887, Guisborough and are on the 91 and 01 censuses with various members of their family

1911 the family is dispersed
Margaret – died
John William – listed incorrectly as single and a boarder
Violetta and Charity out at work
Mary Emma married to Samuel J E Bourne
George – died
Alexander – with  the Peacocks
Charles, Ethel, Margaret jnr and John – not found

If you have access to Ancestry then there are several trees on there with Alexander with his birth parents

So the 5 Oct 1905 birthdate on the death certificate is wrong or the 4 January birthdate was made up so they could registered him in time. Guess it is unlikely we will find out which

[Ceeoh]

Very many thanks davidft for all this information.  This ties Alexander nicely into the family.  He was then the child of the oldest son in the family John William, and not the youngest (Edward) as previously thought.

Thank so much, this really is a comprehensive explanation of where the family were and what happened to them.  Most appreciated.

I have a couple of notes:
Charles lived in Middlesbrough (no other information)
Ethel married William Farnaby and lived in Stokesley
Margaret remained unmarried and lived with sister Vietta in Grangetown
John married Ida Mounsey and as far as I know remained in Guisborough

Regards

Ceeoh