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Offline JWKanney

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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #63 on: Thursday 17 July 14 16:24 BST (UK) »
I'm looking into that now. I would think a death certificate would have his birth date and location, but since I dont' have one yet, I'm not certain. :)
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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #64 on: Thursday 17 July 14 16:25 BST (UK) »
It would be good if you could find marriage details.


I agree with that Heywood - it should name Charles' father and give his occupation

Not definite by any means but the marriage date given for Charles & Catherine was 19 October 1880


Dob given for the KINNY children

Olive FEB 1883
Grover MAR 1885
Matthew JAN 1892

Next question  where is

Charles in 1900 and when did they divorce?

And where are

Catherine
Olive ,Grover & Matthew
after 1900 census,

Catherine possible married 1901 Mr Croft (only speculation it may have been the boarder Ashby Croft from 1900 census)

What information do you get on a marriage certificate in the US?

Marriages for Virginia 1851 – 1929 are searchable on Ancestry - sorry I can't help you out there  :(
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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #65 on: Thursday 17 July 14 16:31 BST (UK) »
You really do need to get the marriage certificate.
The transcription of the marriage online 'Virginia Marriages, 1851-1929'
Chas. Kanney
Catharine Kirby
9 Oct 1880
Albemarle County
Page:    114
"Before a license was issued, the parties to be married had to offer the following information: full names, ages, places of birth and residence, proposed marriage date and place, marital status (widowed or single), parents' names, groom's occupation, and minister's name"

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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #66 on: Thursday 17 July 14 16:32 BST (UK) »
Matthew is McCray, I think.
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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #67 on: Thursday 17 July 14 16:38 BST (UK) »
It would be good if you could find marriage details.


What information do you get on a marriage certificate in the US?


I'm not certain, I'll have to look at my marriage certificate. I believe they only have the date and location of the wedding, and who did the ceremony.
Kanney/Kinney/Kenney/Kenny

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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #68 on: Thursday 17 July 14 17:01 BST (UK) »

You really do need to get the marriage certificate.

The transcription of the marriage online 'Virginia Marriages, 1851-1929'
Chas. Kanney
Catharine Kirby
9 Oct 1880
Albemarle County
Page:    114

"Before a license was issued, the parties to be married had to offer the following information:
full names, ages, places of birth and residence, proposed marriage date and place, marital status (widowed or single), parents' names, groom's occupation, and minister's name"

If they mention Charles' parents names that would answer some of your questions?

hasta
Out of curiosity really do they have an entry for a possible remarriage of Catherine to a G A Croft in 1901

also do they show baptisms for Virginia ?

1882 dau Olive
1885 son Grover
1892 son Matthew

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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #69 on: Thursday 17 July 14 18:56 BST (UK) »
Going back to parents Patrick and Bridget I have done a crossmatch search with data from the CastleGarden website to see what I can find out.  Unfortunately, CastleGarden doesn't seem to have a facility to search the lists in the order they were written, so I cannot tell whether or not the names are linked (they may be members of entirely separate families, or siblings, or travelling alone!)  Is there a Rootschatter who knows a good site where either the original lists are viewable or they have been transcribed in the order in which they were written?

Anyway - here is what I have found (discounting people under 16 at the time of the voyage and people with an estimated birth date well outside those shown on censuses):
Catherine - arrived 22 Feb 1850, on board Pat Carney 17, Bridget Carney 16
Shannon - arrived 3 Mar 1851, on board Patt Carney 20, Bridget Kenney 20
The Queen - arrived 25 Dec 1851, on board Patrick Coney 18 and Bridget Coney 22
Irvine - arrived 28 Sep 1852, on board Pat Kenny 22, Bridget Kenny, 22
Otseonthe - arrived 17 Oct 1853, on board Patt Carney 17, Bridget Carney 18
Western Empire arrived 23 Jun 1854, on board Patt Kenney 21, Bridget Kearney 17
James Nesmith - arrived 28 Aug 1854, on board Patt Connay 7, Bridget Carney 20
Conqueror - arrived 16 Nov 1854, on board Patrick Kearney 22, Patrick Kenney 24, Bridget Kenney 22, Bridget Kenney 17
Fidelia - arrived 26 Jul 1855, on board Patrick Kenny 21, Bridget Carney 18
John Bright - arrived 24 Apr 1858, on board Patrick Kinney 22, Bridget Kerney 18.

I have to say that I am not convinced that any of the above are the couple in question - my gut feeling (generally my gut is an unreliable source!) is that Patrick and Bridget may have married in the USA.

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Philip
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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #70 on: Thursday 17 July 14 18:58 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure if this will throw a wrench into what we've been finding, but here are the 1900 census records for a Chas Kinney...born in Ireland...and in the correct county of Virginia.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMF6-QK7

I have a few issues with this though. The record states that he is 25 years old, but in the image he states that he is 35. Here's what's wrong, in the image his birth year is listed as 1875, but the census is 1900 and that would put his birth at 1865 with the other censuses we've been looking at. He's also listed as single and not divorced.
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Re: Where in the World am I from?
« Reply #71 on: Thursday 17 July 14 19:12 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure if this will throw a wrench into what we've been finding, but here are the 1900 census records for a Chas Kinney...born in Ireland...and in the correct county of Virginia.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMF6-QK7

I have a few issues with this though. The record states that he is 25 years old, but in the image he states that he is 35. Here's what's wrong, in the image his birth year is listed as 1875, but the census is 1900 and that would put his birth at 1865 with the other censuses we've been looking at. He's also listed as single and not divorced.

I was just going to post this and you beat me to it  :D  It looks very good - the right place- Samuel Miller township and the right 'age'.
He says he immigrated in 1873 so the age would probably be right at 35 yrs!
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