Where in the World am I from?

[Ladyhawk]

Just for info. as I know you are looking for details of Charles rather than Catherine but I wonder if

the 2nd marriage for Catherine Kinny nee Kirby to G A Croft

did she marry the ASHBY Croft that is with boarding with the Kirby/Kinny family in 1900 

[Ladyhawk]

Not sure whether you have seen these

From US 1900census
Grover KINNY born  March 1885
this looks to be his Draft Registration

Hardin County, Iowa, United States
Grover Cleveland  KINNEY born 16 Mar 1885
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZ28-67N
nearest relative Lena Mabel Kenney

1907 Hardin, Iowa, United States marriage Grover to Lena
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XJQ1-T2V
doesn’t mention either names of their father’s

EDITED as the above is another Grover Cleveland Kinney born c1885
see link gives parents names as C E KINNEY & Loisa CARAWAY
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZ82-JR5

[JWKanney]

There is about a ten year difference in birth years, but this could be the same child of Charles and Catherine.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MCDH-YB3

[philipsearching]

Following this thread has been intriguing.

No new information, but just to focus the search:

Patrick and Bridget KANNEY (or spelling variant)
both (according to census data) born in Ireland.
Patrick born c1833, Bridget born c1834 (going on ages given in censuses)
Living in New York in 1870
Several children born in New York - oldest is Frank born c1859.

So - did Patrick and Bridget come over from Ireland as a couple?  If so, they must have arrived between c1850 and 1859
As they settled in New York it is probable (but not definite) that they arrived in New York
They may not have begun the voyage in Ireland (they could have set off from Liverpool or another English port)
If they arrived separately, did they marry in the USA (New York?)
If they arrived separately, Patrick could have arrived from c1833 to 1859.

I will hunt for arrivals c1850 to 59 and see if I can find any trace.

All the best
Philip

[philipsearching]

I will hunt for arrivals c1850 to 59 and see if I can find any trace.

Just so you know - I am searching on Castle Garden from 1847 to 1860 using a wildcard P and K search to allow for spelling variants and abbreviations, then narrowing down possibilities for Patrick.  Once I have a manageable list I will cross-reference for Bridget to see if I can find a match.

[JWKanney]

I will hunt for arrivals c1850 to 59 and see if I can find any trace.

Just so you know - I am searching on castlegarden from 1847 to 1860 using a wildcard P and K search, then narrowing down possibilities for Patrick.  Once I have a manageable list I will cross-reference for Bridget to see if I can find a match.

Sweet! Thanks for your efforts Phillip.....much appreciated.

[iluleah]

I would agree with Phillip and forget about what you were told or what you think, focus on proof and that is only in real records, bear in mind ( as you have already been advised) that spellings were unimportant if you look at real records in Ireland eg 1901 census you will see just how many could still not read and write so no one corrected spelling, it was spelt how it sounded and depends on who was writing it down, then when they could read/write they used the spelling they had, which is why you get so many variants in the same family.

.....and my advice is establish your records and proof in the USA that is from real records and a solid foundation as surname searching in the whole of Ireland is going to find you hitting that brick wall all over again, there are plenty of records in the USA online, that is not the case for Ireland and although it is a tiny country you will find there are dozens and dozens of people born in the same area with the same names IF you are able to find any online records ( more likely transcriptions online) You really need a named place in Ireland, a county, a townland or ideally a village/town, certainly you need every bit of information you can find before you try to jump the pond to a completely different records system and where most records are still in parish churches.

[Ladyhawk]

There is about a ten year difference in birth years, but this could be the same child of Charles and Catherine.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/MCDH-YB3

Perhaps there was a typing error and the '9' should be an '8' 

The 1900 census Grover is aged 15 years  born Mar 1885
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MMF6-PYM

[JWKanney]

I'm not shocked that there could be a typo. There are plenty of conflicting results, but I guess that's part of the job when researching such things.