Help Please! Who was Joseph Turners Mother?

[trish1120]

Baptism to John/Elizabeth is on FreeREG also 27 Dec 1854

[avm228]

John Turner (b abt 1820 Darlaston) is widowed by 1871 - still a lath cleaver, and 17 yr old son Jos^h is among the children with him. RG10/2941/52/1.

John & Elizabeth baptised what seems to have been their first child, William, on 25 Mar 1841 at St George, Wolverhampton.  Abode: Canal St.  Father's occupation: lath cleaver. (FreeREG)

John, Elizabeth and 2 month old William are in Canal St in 1841: HO107/999 bk4 folio 36 page 5.

[Willow 4873]

If you are sure that is the right family it might be worth investing in Selina's birth certificate to confirm Ann's maiden name but there is also this other possibility

28.2.1842 St Peters John Turner batchelor occ boatman father T Turner locksmith to Ann Turner aged 18 of Wolverhampton father S Turner Lath cleaver

I'm not convinced that a Lath Cleaver and a Locksmith are the same type of occupation

Willow x

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Baptisms for John and Elizabeth Turner lath cleaver
William 25.3.1841 Canal St St Georges
Thomas 12.10.1851 Littles Lane St Mary
Joseph 27.12.1854 Falkland St St Mary's
Henry 9.8.1857 same
Lucy M 18.2.1860 same.

1871 gives widowed mother Caroline age71 born Tettenhall
So baptism for John 30.7.1820 Bilston St Leonards to William and Caroline Turnercarpenter and sawyer.
They married at St Peter's Wolverhampton 12.7.1819 her surname Southwick.

By 1841 the family are at Canal St Wolverhampton
William Turner 48 lath cleaver y
Caroline 42 y
Henry 19 lath cleaver y
William 13 tinner y
Joseph 10 y
and further down the street
John Turner 20 lathe turner y
Elizabeth 20/25 y
William 2mths y
Unfortunately can't see them on the 1851 census and it does seem strange they have this run of children William 1840,Henry 1844,Sarah 1846,John 1849,Thomas 1852,Joseph 1854, Henry1857,Lucy 1860 and Sussannah 1863.
Could there be 2 misses Elizabeth Turner's?

Ciderdrinker

[Willow 4873]

Completely different occupation

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=616886.0

Willow x

[trish1120]

Same address as Baptism;
1841 Census
Canal Street,
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
HO107/999/4/Wolverhampton
John TURNER, 20, Lathe ?
Elizabeth, 20
William, 2mths
All born in County

[avm228]

John TURNER, 20, Lathe ?

Cutter (same as cleaver)

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I cannot easily see a suitable marriage for John Turner & Elizabeth in Wolverhampton.  A Sep qtr 1840 marriage to Elizabeth Adams looks tempting, but FreeREG shows that John to be a widowed bricklayer, son of Thomas Turner, a labourer.   

[avm228]

Unfortunately can't see them on the 1851 census and it does seem strange they have this run of children William 1840,Henry 1844,Sarah 1846,John 1849,Thomas 1852,Joseph 1854, Henry1857,Lucy 1860 and Sussannah 1863.

In 1851 they are at Falkland St:

John 31 lath cutter Wolverhampton
Elizabeth 32 Canterbury, Kent
Willliam 10
James 8
Sarah 5
John 2

(children all b Wolverhampton)

HO107/2019/869/21

So Henry 1844 may have died young, hence a later son being named Henry.

James was baptised 11 Sep 1843 St Peter's Wolverhampton, son of John (a carpenter) and Elizabeth, of Canal St.