hi Janis, has to be, my indebted thanks to you. hodgson / Hudson, is why my brain is like a washing machine. , to round up , john ,b, 1827 , m, ann hodgson.,Elizabeth + the ,4, as posted ,m, ann Hudson.,that leaves ,sarah 1840,isabell 1842+joseph smith baty 1846. looks like , john1827,named a son john adam - think ive missed something, also, copperase, could be, hoppers house , ( mason ? ) as on Jonas 1871, George hopper,son? ,age 28. hum ., thanks again . alan.