When & where did George Fulwar Llewellyn Craven arrive in Australia

[majm]

  "British Subject" born in Wales, or born in Queensland .... no difference from an enlistment point of view, regardless of his parents divorcing at some time AFTER his birth, presuming his parents were married to each other at the time of his birth.   No such thing as "Australian Citizenship" until 1949.   (Same for the other dominions eg Canada, NZ, South Africa ... )

  There were a number of British Dominions that provided death certificates for the Fallen.  Queensland, New Zealand, and some others.   Many of the Queenslanders are indexed for the year 1922, including several who were Fromelles missing, and researched on the Armed Forces board here at Rchat.   

Do you have a copy of the English GRO cert?  I suspect it will be scant on info, but just perhaps it may give a place of BIRTH as well as the usual address of his parents ....  Fingers crossed, the GRO certs can be expensive and give little info.

Cheers,  JM

 

[majm]

There’s a Queensland BIRTH registration for a Fulwar CRAVEN in 1873, with parents recorded as Edmund Filmer (CRAVEN) and Caroline SMITH  (actually quite a number of children for that couple).   # C206  so a NON Brisbane birth.    Interesting first name for that 1873 birth.   Perhaps no connection at all to your CRAVEN family.  That lad seems to have been born 26 May 1873.
https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/

Cheers,  JM

[Westy11]

Hi JM

I see I made my point unclearly as to his parents death.  i was seeking to say that his parents did not come to Australia and died in the UK. This was, I suppose a response to an element in your post as to a perhaps late registration of his birth in Australia.

I don't have George's birth certificate but do have his GRO registration which states "Inferred County: Glamorgan; Volume: 11a; Page: 613" registered  in the Jan-Mar quarter of 1875. I have a number of Newspaper articles referencing his birth as 17 Jan 1875 at Merthyr Mawr, Glamorganshire, Wales.  His parents divorce papers further confirms his date of birth.

Not being in a fantastically financial state I felt that these pieces of evidence supported the date and location of George's birth and as a result no need to purchase a birth certificate. As stated in a previous post I simply cannot understand why George gave what I consider incorrect information although i have seen a number of instances where incorrect information was knowingly given by a person enlisting. As to their reasons I don't know but I feel comfortable that the reason made sense at that point in time???

Kind regards

Westy11

[Westy11]

Hello JM

Thanks for the reply.  As the Craven family prior to the marriage of Fulwar John Colquitt Craven to Sarah Llewellyn Dillwyn is not in my line I haven't progressed that research.  I did notice there was the other Fulwar birth as you have identified and had assumed [rightly or wrongly] this family was related to the Craven's in some way and coming in most likely before the marriage of Sarah & Fulwar.

I suppose it wasn't germane to my line of research.  I have subsequently had a look around and it appears Fulwar Craven died in Mt Isa Queensland and was 2nd cousin to George.

Kind regards
Westy11

[majm]

     Do you have his QLD marriage cert?   Perhaps he gave info at that time to support a birth in the UK ?

I have not yet found arrival to Qld  but I know there was loss of records due to flooding. 

Cheers,  JM

[Westy11]

Hi JM

I appreciate your help...   

As to purchase of a marriage certificate: no I didn't purchase one and once again relied on the newspaper article confirmed by the QLD BDM marriage information provided as 1899   & C1636.

I knew it to be the correct couple by the Electoral Rolls and the newspaper article you also located.

Westy11

[rosball]

I guess you have seen this death notice too http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article22299477

CRAVEN.— Died of wounds received at the
Dardanelles, June 29th, 1915, George Fulwar
Llewellyn, husband of Mabel Ellen Craven, 
Nanango, and second son of late Captain F.
J. C. Craven (Grenadier Guards), aged 40
years. 

regards,
   Ros   

adding : Memoriam notice             http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article20666623

[Westy11]

Hi Rosball

Yes I did and thank you so much.

Westy11

[~MERLIN~]

His records on the AIF Project give his birth as Wales, attended school at Haileyburg, Hertfordshire, England & other training at Colonial College, Hollesley Bay, Suffolk, England.

https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=66315