When & where did George Fulwar Llewellyn Craven arrive in Australia

[Westy11]

Merlin gave this information:
other training at Colonial College, Hollesley Bay, Suffolk, England.

It's interesting to read abuot the use of the College from 1887:
Hollesley Bay began in 1887 as a colonial college training those intending to emigrate, housing a labour colony for the London unemployed. In 1905 the land was transferred to the London Unemployed Fund, who in turn handed it over to the Central Unemployed Body for London. Subsequently it was taken over by London County Council.

There was a number of similar labour colonies across Britain. Their aim was to train unemployed people for work, with a view to helping them escape pauperism. Hollesley Bay was typical in that it mainly involved exposing its inmates to a period of work either on agricultural tasks or in the kitchens and other relatively unskilled activities.  (It is now a prison)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Hollesley_Bay

There are a number of references here, although I think you may need a subscripton.
http://www.connectedhistories.org/Search_results.aspx?pc=Hollesley&sr=bu&st=120&dtf=1600-01-01&dtt=1699-12-31

Perhaps the College arranged passages

Judith

Hello Judith

That was very good background information. It looks like George left UK after his father's death in 1890.  Given this was a family who I don't believe would have  worked in the ordinary sense it makes good sense that George would have attended a place that would equip him for a life in Australia. I did locate a dissolution of partnership for a property where he was listed as grazier so it appears he put his new found skills to work albeit they may not have worked too well.

Thanks heaps

Westy11

[Westy11]

There is an entry in Armorial Families : a Directory of Gentlemen of Coat-Armour for George Fulwar LLewellyn COLQUITT-CRAVEN, b 1875, describing his coat of arms.  Parents given are those already mentioned.
http://www.mocavo.com/Armorial-Families-a-Directory-of-Gentlemen-of-Coat-Armour-Volume-1/713318/462

The mention of his father in the letter in the NAA WW1 files describes his father as "Captain". George's rank in the AIF was "Private".  There is no mention in the marriage report of his parents or other relatives.  If he was an 'ordinary' attendee at the Colonial College at Hollesley Bay that doesn't fit well either, with his apparent background.  Purely speculation but I wonder if he 'fell out' with his family  and did not wish to acknowledge his background on entering the Australian Army.

Judith

Hi Judith

George's father was wealthy as was the family.  Given George was the second son it is probable he did not inherit the estates.  He had been through tragedy so it could be assumed he wanted a 'fresh start' perhaps a 'sea change' of earlier days? 

It makes sense to me that he went to the school which may have been only one such school available to upskill him.

Thanks for your assistance

Westy11

[Westy11]

Thanks for the background info Aussie1947.

Westy11

[Westy11]

Thanks Merlin for your continued digging...  It is all starting to come together and thanks to everyone for your efforts to date.

Westy11

[majm]

It looks like George left UK after his father's death in 1890.  Given this was a family who I don't believe would have  worked in the ordinary sense it makes good sense that George would have attended a place that would equip him for a life in Australia. I did locate a dissolution of partnership for a property where he was listed as grazier so it appears he put his new found skills to work albeit they may not have worked too well.

There's another Fulwar CRAVEN,   a grazier,  dissolving a partnership, however, cannot be your chap, as he was still a child.  The property was in The Clarence District of NSW.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/82110155 Warwick Examiner and Times,  16 July 1881.

May I gently again suggest that the Queensland marriage cert will contain information provided by your chap, and he was required to give info about his parents, and about himself, including where he was born. 

The AIF project originally accepted submissions from the general public, and was not funded to validate the submissions.  It also has entries based on the WWI nominal roll, and the CWGC info. and some Red Cross records.     It also has the following statement :
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/disclaimer.html
 " The personal dossiers of individual members, now held by the National Archives of Australia, Canberra Office, are the authoritative record for details of military service. Medal entitlements are recorded on each dossier."

Several of my ancestors WWI details at the AIF project's index contain info that does not match up with their AIF files at the NAA, nor with private family papers, nor with WWI nominal Roll, nor the CWGC.     

Cheers,  JM

[Westy11]

Hi JM

In relation to the dissolution of partnership - the names given were the full name of George Fulwar Llewellyn Craven and included his wife's name as Mabel Ellen Craven: the man with whom he had a partnership was his best man at his wedding.  The Electoral Rolls were Queensland Rolls that confirmed the couple of George and his wife Mabel Ellen.

The contact given for the AIF Project was an executor of George's father's will and as said previously a distant cousin.  This person was also a witness at the marriage contract between George's father and mother and as a result was also involved [and noted] in the dissolution of the marriage and the process around financial considerations.

I do understand about being careful and about ensuring the evidence supports the position and I agree with you. 

Kind regards

Westy11

[Aussie1947]

Hi,

Unless I have read things wrong it looks like George was attested and had his medical on 15th April 1915 and he was kitted out and shipped out next day on the HMAT 'Kyarra'. 

Also the age limits for enlistment from August 1914 to June 1915 were 18 to 35 years and in June 1915 these changed to 18 to 45 years.  Event though he stated that he was 40 but they still let George enlist, I guess in April 1915 they didn't stick to the age rule too hard considering it was soon to change in June.

Gerry

 

[Westy11]

Hi Gerry

Thank you for the background information - I too had wondered about George's age and it is so sad to see he lasted only about 2 months and two weeks after leaving Brisbane.

Regards

Westy

[majm]

Hi there,

OH and I will be in North Bundaberg on Tuesday (15 July) but fully occupied with some private matters, and so not able to call into the Bundaberg Genie Society's rooms.  But, perhaps you could send them an email, asking about the mention of Menangles and the Burnett District on the AIF enlistment papers.  It may be of interest to their membership, for anyone researching for ANZAC 1915 commemorations.

I have had a quick look through my offline resources for Bundaberg, but not noticed Menangles, so I will ask various family members when we are with them.   Of course, "Burnett District" covers a much larger area of Qld than just Bundaberg  and today it can mean "North Burnett", and/or "South Burnett" and/or "Wide Bay" and/or Bundaberg Regional Council

http://www.bga.org.au/   

Fingers crossed, if only to eliminate the mention of "Menangles" 

Cheers,  JM