Request for lookup

[Vonnie M]

I request a look up of Harriet Hill Sedgman born 1848 Cornwall. d. Melbourne Australia 1924. m. Richard Gale b. 1835 Shepherds Bush London. Thankyou. Vonnie M

[Jenny Wood]

Hi Vonnie

Welcome to Rootschat.  It helps the other members to know if you are looking for specific information (i.e. Census information or baptism details)and to state the information that you already have otherwise we end up not helping.  It may be worth having a look on the beginners board to see some of the tips for new Roots Chatters and some of the resources and lookups that are available.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,47.0.html

I've had a look for your Harriet and I hope the following is of assistance (I've tried to give you the resource I've used so you can validate the information).

I used www.familyhistoryonline.net which is a pay per view site (I had some credits left over) and http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ which has 99% coverage of the Cornwall 1841 census and found the following.

Baptism
Harriet Hill Sedgman
Born in St Hilary, Cornwall
Date 16 Apr 1843
Father Michael SEDGMAN
Mother Mary

Potential Marriage of Michael and Mary
Parish St Martin in Meneage
Michael Sedgeman married Mary Hill on the 5 Apr 1831

Children to Michael and Mary
born in St Hilary
Frederick SEDGMAN  2 Jul 1839
Elizabeth Jane SEDGMAN 30 May 1841
Harriet Hill SEDGMAN 16 Apr 1843

I can't find Michael and Mary in Cornwall in the 1841 or 1851 Census - but they may be there under other names

I think I have found Harriet in the 1851 though but without the rest of her family - so there in lies a small puzzle.

Piece No 1913, Enumeration District 1, Folio 7, Schedule 24
St Martin in Meneage,
Address Tregevis
Harriet HILL, Head, 26, Occupation Not Stated, Born Cornwall
Harriet SEDGMAN, Niece, 8,  Occupation Scholar, Born Cornwall

If you don't have her death certificate Victorian BDM are online (Link below) or you can use a transcription agent (I don't have any details as I don't use one, but if you search rootschat for those words you should find the details of someone who does.)

Vic BDM
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/CA256C7100199CBE/OrigDoc/~7F0EBF400FADBA72CA256C7500057C82?OpenDocument&1=13-Index+Search~&2=0-Historical+Index+Information~&3=~

The following Rootschat thread also has a lot of information on tracing people who immigrated from England to Australia in case you don't have her immigration details.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,26946.0.html

I didn't look for Richard Gale at all.  From your post I couldn't tell if they were married in Oz or in England.  Either persons death certificate should tell you.

Let me know if the above helps or if there was something more specific you were after.

Jenny

[Sisterjane]

1871 cencus Shorditch
RG10/496-Folio 51
St Margaret St
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Annie E Gale abt 1868  Shoreditch, Middlesex Daughter  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Elizabeth J Gale abt 1836  Homerton, Middlesex Wife  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Henry Thos Gale abt 1861  Shoreditch, Middlesex Son  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Louise M Gale abt 1864  Shoreditch, Middlesex Daughter  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Mary J Gale abt 1866  Shoreditch, Middlesex Daughter  St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
Richard Gale abt 1835  Dalston, Middlesex Head  St Leonard Shoreditch  London    Occ warehouseman for silk manufacturer
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1871 cencus
RG10/2278-Folio 71
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Edward Sedgman abt 1854  Perranzabuloe, Cornwall Son  Perranzabuloe  Cornwall   
Eliza Sedgman abt 1816  St Agnes, Cornwall Head Widow Perranzabuloe  Cornwall   
Harriet Sedgman abt 1849  Perranzabuloe, Cornwall Daughter  Perranzabuloe  Cornwall    Somestic servant
John Sedgman abt 1850  St Agnes, Cornwall Son  Perranzabuloe  Cornwall   
Joseph Sedgman abt 1852  Perranzabuloe, Cornwall Son  Perranzabuloe  Cornwall   
William Sedgman abt 1856  Perranzabuloe, Cornwall Son  Perranzabuloe  Cornwall 

All sons are Tin miners


Joe

[Vonnie M]

Jenny your info looks spot on. I am just beginning, so I will do some certificate searches and then may be able to narrow it down a little. At the moment I really only have what I put down.... Although I know Richard Gale was in Australia before 1865 (pre the 1871 Census)  when their first child Elizabeth Mary was born in Kilmore Vic Australia.
Funnily enough Harriet married twice first to Richard Gale and then to Bill Gale. The first marriage had 6 children and the second nil. Apparently Bill Gale discovered the coal deposits in the Gippsland region that now fuel all of Victoria (so a bit of a celeb !) 
Grandma used to say that we were related to the Earl of Warwick - Richard's Grandfather - but I imagine one of them used to work in the kitchen. There is some information that Richard Gale's father was a tobacconist in Kensington and that he had 3 children - my Richard,  Charles and Clara.
Thankyou very much for your information. I will read the newbie stuff and then get back to you.

[Jenny Wood]

Hi Vonnie,

Glad to help.  Its a fantasic journey to be starting so good luck. 

I had a little more of a look seeing the info was heading in the right direction.  The Victorian indices seem to have a huge amount of information.  Perhaps someone with access to the historical index can help with some lookups.

There is a marriage in the Vic BDM of Harriet Hill Sedgman to Richard Thomas Gales in 1861 Reg 4069.

The children were (as you know)
 GALES Clara  b 1863 Ref 8545     
 GALES Elizabeth Mary b 1865 Ref 2986     
 GALES Herbert Edgar b 1873 Ref 22311     
 GALES Edith Amy b 1877 Ref 13532     
 GALES Richard Norman b 1869 Ref 3019     
 GALES Marion Alice b 1879 Ref 7355

Harriet Hill Gales then married William Gales in 1888 Ref 5969

So Richard Thomas Gales must have died between 1879 and 1888.  I'm not sure but this looks like his death though I don't understand the Zebulan so it may not be.

Zebulan Richd Thos GALES - father Richd Norman Gales mother Anna Bird Died 1884 Ref 3679

Harriet Hill Gales daughter of Michael Ledgman (sic) and Mary Hill died 1924 Ref 10599 .

It looks like they both immigrated prior to 1861 but the death certificates would be the best way to try and work out where.

Interesting deaths associated with Harriet - it seems her family immigrated

Richard SEDGMAN Parents Michael Sedgman and Mary Hill d 1886 ref 1724
Jonathon Hill SEDGMAN Parents Michael Sedgman and Mary Hill d 1919 ref 3712     
Thomas SEDGMAN Parents Michael Sedgman and Mary Hilld 1901 ref 10540

You might even find these are her parents
Mary Sedgman Parents Jonathon Hill d 1903 ref 4066
Michael Sedgman Parents Michael Sedgman and Elizabeth OATES d 1888 ref 592

Good luck and happy searching.

Jenny

[Vonnie M]

Thankyou for that Jenny,

Some of it is rather complicated isn't it, particularly when things don't quite match.  I really appreciate all the checking you have been doing, it's wonderful. I actually thought the surname was GALE not GALES but I must be wrong.

The children of Harriet Hill and Richard Gale/s I had down as :-

Clara - who married Walter Boothroyd - they had Lena, Joe, Jamie, Fenton & Nellie.
Elizabeth Mary - who married James Halstead - they had James Herbert, Richard, Minnie, Harriet Emma (my Grandmother), Arthur Edgar, and Martha (Cissie in some notes, died young)
Herbert Edgar - who married Mabel and had 4 children
Harriet - who married Charlie Davis and had Jessie(Female), and Cedric
Marion Alice - who married Alex McGrath and they had Alex, Eileen, Ruby, Richard, Nellie, Val and Arthur
Matilda - who married Harry Beswick and they had Sonny, Harold, Elsie and Edie

I didn't have Richard Norman or Edith Amy. Maybe Edith was known in the family as Matilda.... another puzzle.

And with the earlier information Harriet Hill Sedgman's siblings were :- Fredrick and Elizabeth Jane.....

I will keep searching and checking back for further info.  Thankyou for everything.

VonnieM

[howedogs]

Hi Vonnie

You may already know this by now but I have some information you may be interested in. My GGrandfather was Azarias Beswick (sometimes called Harry) who married a Phillippa Gales (father Richard). They had 8 children - Edwin Thomas; Daisy Elizabeth; Harold Ernest; Herbert Harry (my G'father); Edith May; Ada Mary; Elsie Marion and Ivy. I believe we are descendants of Harriet Hill Sedgman and Richard Gales. I haven't proved it all yet but I grew up believing a distant uncle was Frank Sedgman the world class tennis player and names, dates and other indicators all fit. As Richard Thomas Gales he married Harriet in 1861 but sometime between then and his death he appears to have taken on the name Zebulan Richard Thomas. I'm wondering if he converted to Judaism?. A bit of a mystery.

Hope this is of some use.
Denise

[Pauline H]

Hi, Marion Alice Gales was my grandmother, she married Patrick Alex McGrath. They had 11 children, Alec, Val, Arthur, Eileen, Helen (Nellie) Dorothy (Dorrie), Richard, Leonard (Len, my father), Edith (Audrey), Ruby and William. Marions parents were Harriet Hill Gales (nee Sedgman) and Richard Thomas Gales. Can supply further details if required of the families of the above children (all now deceased)..

Thankyou for that Jenny,

Some of it is rather complicated isn't it, particularly when things don't quite match. I really appreciate all the checking you have been doing, it's wonderful. I actually thought the surname was GALE not GALES but I must be wrong.

The children of Harriet Hill and Richard Gale/s I had down as :-

Clara - who married Walter Boothroyd - they had Lena, Joe, Jamie, Fenton & Nellie.
Elizabeth Mary - who married James Halstead - they had James Herbert, Richard, Minnie, Harriet Emma (my Grandmother), Arthur Edgar, and Martha (Cissie in some notes, died young)
Herbert Edgar - who married Mabel and had 4 children
Harriet - who married Charlie Davis and had Jessie(Female), and Cedric
Marion Alice - who married Alex McGrath and they had Alex, Eileen, Ruby, Richard, Nellie, Val and Arthur
Matilda - who married Harry Beswick and they had Sonny, Harold, Elsie and Edie

I didn't have Richard Norman or Edith Amy. Maybe Edith was known in the family as Matilda.... another puzzle.

And with the earlier information Harriet Hill Sedgman's siblings were :- Fredrick and Elizabeth Jane.....

I will keep searching and checking back for further info. Thankyou for everything.

VonnieM

[Vonnie M]

Hi there Pauline

It has been ages since I have gone onto Rootschat and I had changed my email so haven't been getting notifications of messages. I have come a long way in my research since the previous posting. I would like to get in touch to do some more cross checking though :-)

cheers Vonnie