HOGAN family

[heywood]

There is quite a bit of information if you search for it re the hospital and workhouse.
From what I have read - by a poster elsewhere - Vanbrugh Hill may have been the hospital rather than the workhouse.
This is one example http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/greenwichdistrict.html

[heywood]

There is this death:

June 1922   Greenwich 1d 1074

John Wilkins   51 yrs 

[Pennines]

Hi Karen,

The country was divided into Poor Law Unions --- but I think John Wilkins was just in the Infirmary as a patient --- it doesn't say 'inmate'. (Many Infirmaries were part of a Workhouse -- and if they were admitted simply because they were in dire financial straits -- they would be described as an 'inmate'.

This may just be a coincidence -- but a John Wilkins aged 49 died in Greenwich Union Infirmary on 9th May 1922 - due to Tuberculosis/Phthisis. Home address at that time was 17 Barnes Terrace, St Pauls. (This record amongst the London deaths on Ancestry). He is about the correct age.

I don't know if this is your John -- as there is no other information.

If you think about it --- it was extremely difficult for a widower to hold down a job AND look after young children. Many remarried very quickly to solve the problem. If John didn't remarry -- the children were probably taken in by the relative just for convenience sake -- he would need someone to care for them.

[heywood]

I wonder if that is the same John W as the death reference I posted. The age is slightly different but otherwise it matches.

I also agree with Pennines' latest post re a widower's circumstances.

[karenmurphy90]

Thank you Pennines - it may well be him - hard to tell - although other family members seem to think that John died considerably earlier than the date you mentioned. John gave up care of his daughter Rose (my grandmother) immediately after his wife Julia's death. Julia's sister Rosannah (Rose) cared for his daughter.

[karenmurphy90]

Thank you Heywood - you will see that I have explained that John gave up care of his daughter Rose immediately!
My mother seems to recall being told that John died considerably earlier than the date you have mentioned again this may make sense as he was in hospital 1911 but no death records for then?

[Pennines]

Hi Karen,

I couldn't see a death record around 1911, and just after -- for a John Wilkins of the correct age.

If he just disappeared out of his daughter's life due to work and ill heath -- how would the family know he had died? They may have assumed.

You could try looking for him in the archive newspapers on line -- just in case he gets a mention -- but you would need to purchase some time. I think you can purchase a couple of days for about £6.00 -- maybe someone else knows better about that.

[karenmurphy90]

Yes they are vague as to when he died and his daughter had no contact with him.  However they were told he died of TB which does tally with the information already given.

[Pennines]

That is interesting Karen.

If he did die from TB - as per the one on the record -- then he probably suffered from it for some time, (sadly).

 If I remember rightly (and I don't always!!) -- it used to be called 'Decline' -- which seems to indicate that people suffered with the condition for a while.