Hi,
I know this is an old thread, I too have only stumbled come across it, I must have missed it in the past , as you do .
I am hoping some of you are still around.
I am pretty (99.9%) sure the " Easter" ( Esther) and Helen ( Ellen) in the1841 census came back to Ireland , as Ellen is my gg grandmother, and Esther her sister( or spelled "Easter" in that census) married my gg's brother ( the two sisters
married two brothers).
It's probably why you haven't been able to find these two siblings - where I have been trying to do the complete opposite for the past 20 years- I've been trying for years to find exactly where from in Scotland ,when my gg grannie Ellen, sister Esther and her father John came from in Scotland before they came into Ireland.
I've never been able to find John their father in Ireland, he's on both their marriage certs listed as their father, Metal Caster on my gg grannies cert, moulder on her sister's , which is another term for metal caster. I don't know if John came back to Ireland too with them or stayed
there in Scotland , or it was only the two sisters who came back by themsleves as he wasn't one of the witnesses on their certs, who knows.
Have any of you taken a DNA test and have it on either Myheritage or Ancestry sites? I am wondering if you have , and you are in my matches ( my DNA matches on the Townsley side of my family are a huge group, with many still today that belong to the travelling community in Scotland. Many of them are very closely linked through an Isabell/a townsely who was born around the early 1900s ) , many of my top matches on my townsley side are very closely related to eachother , ie immediate families half and full siblings, half , also 1st cousins marrying eachother , second cousins and so on, whilst the common link with me and them I know is through my gg grandmother Ellen's father , John ( and maybe Rachel , if she is the mother, there's no way to tell if she's the mum and I can't separate John 's side from Rachel's or any mother's side in my dna )
It's surprising to me they say in the census ( including their father John ) they are born in Ireland . My grandfather always said his paternal grandparents , Ellen , and her hubby emigrated from Scotland into Ireland. Although technically he didn't used to exactly use the word "born" , he used to say his grandparents "came into Ireland from Scotland" , but he meant emigrated from, born there in Scotland. (I knew my grandfather well.)
IF that census is to believed about their birthplaces , it takes my grandfather's side two more generations back that were born within Ireland, where my grandfather always thought his paternal grandparents to have come over from Scotland. My Irish grandfather (who was born and raised in the North of Ireland, as too both his parents, as too his children) was always so very proud of his Scottish heritage from his paternal side, he used to roll off the tongue, the numerous clans he belonged too , from his paternal grandparents ( ie Ellen and her hubby) , damned if I can remember the ones he used to say. If he was still alive today he really would be surprised his grandmother Ellen and g grandfather John said they were born in Ireland. I'd take the birth places in that 1841 census with huge caution, maybe they were born in Ireland, maybe they weren't , but I wouldn't use that 1841 birthplace as 100% set in stone ( not with this side of the family ) . Ellen and hubby when they married and raised their children, travelled a lot with the tinsmithing trade around the North of Ireland ( Ellen married a tinsmith in Ireland , their sons , including my grandfather's father who was also a tinsmith too.)
If you have your dna on either site mentioned and would like to find out if we are a match , private message me with your dna user name, I can search through my matches to see of you're amongst them , and I'll do the same ( giving you my DNA usernames on the two sites - although I've turned off my Ancestry DNA visibility over my stance with their new $$$ grabbing policies over shared matches , but I'll turn it back on temporary for any search, if any of you have dna only on Ancestry ).
Very Kind regards
Ps regarding Jane may have been in Kilrea for a time ( mentioned in the initial post ), it is very, very possible , as that's where my gg grannie Ellen was living at the time of her marriage,in the surrounding areas, she was living in vow in finvoy, which is near kilrea , then Gavargh where my g grandfather was born , all in the close areas.
I don't know how you can prove it is Jane on a first marriage though, unless she also had children from her first marriage and their decendants from that first marriage have taken a dna test, even then it would still be hard , no easy way is there with the Townsley family lol.
Very Kind regards
