Soldier not listed on the ww1 database

[KGarrad]

On Ancestry, if you enter his full name, with a keyword of "Liverpool", both medal cards turn up!

NEWBY, Edwin  Liverpool R  Pte  25068

Victory Medal & British War Medal

Notes: Re-submitted under A.C.I. 75 of 1921 Previously claimed on K.L.R. B.W. & V. Medal Roll S. No. 1342 B.

[newburychap]

The medal rolls are not on Ancestry or any other site, they are at the National Archives at Kew.  What they have at Ancestry and the TNA website are the index cards that allow you to locate an entry in the medal rolls (a set of ledgers). The ledger entry doesn't often give much more information than the index card but will usually give the battalion.

[seahall]

I am not sure about what I have from Anc*********** then as it says they are
the Northamptonshire Regiment Medal Rolls from T.N.A.?  WO 100/500

Lists the men etc, are they award rolls.

Sandy

[SoupDragon64]

Thanks All,
mmm45 - The medal roll of individuals entitled to the War Badge states that he did serve overseas and it also lists his batallion, or at least I think it does;  The roll states it is for the King's Liverpool Regiment, and lists others who were all in the 3rd Batallion or Depot as their unit of discharge. Hope I'm reading this right. I'll have to check the National Archives for this other card. The other information you gave is useful too, thanks.
philipsearching - that's interesting, him being a L Corporal as everything else I've managed to find says he is a Private. Wonder why that would be!?
Newburychap -I thought I had a copy of the medal roll from Ancestry - that's what the title says 'Roll of Individuals entitled to the "War Badge".  Am I looking at a different thing, or just getting matters confused?  No wonder I need to ask for help and advice, what seems straight forward/simple at first is obviously not to me (I'm thick when it comes to all this stuff!!!)   

Thanks again all for so much information and help.

Might also be worth me mentioning (I totally forgot, sorry) that he appears on the 1901 census as Edwin Newby, in the  Orford Barracks - Warrington, in the Malitia Liverpool Regiment as a general labourer. Don't know if this would be in any way linked to his service in the King's Liverpool; would he be a reservist if he was in the 3rd batallion then, and sign up again at the outbreak of war?
Too many questions, I'm sorry 

[Stephen Nulty]

Have you also seen the Medal Card for EDWARD Newby with the same number?

[SoupDragon64]

Hello,
No I haven't! What site is that on?  When I just put in his service number, with no names or only his surname I get nothing, which is why it is so infuriating.  Thanks for this though, I'll check it out.  Right now I'm just trying to find anything related to him using what information I have, but not having any luck   

Forget that I've just found it on Ancestry and WOW - does that say he was convicted of desertion? Also that he forfeited his medal? The more I look into my family history the more difficult they seem to like to make it!!! Not one of the people I look for are easy to find, or have a 'simple/starightforward' past. Still, keeps me out of trouble I suppose    Thanks for this.

[mmm45]

Its on Ancestry and has some illuminating comments on it.
Maybe from the date of entry to theatre youll be able to work out his original battalion not the Depot he was discharged from

http://www.1914-1918.net/kings.htm

At a guess 13th Service Battalion landed within 24 hrs of the Edward Newby on the card

This maybe of interest to him reclaiming forfeited medals
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80131


Ady

[km1971]

The 1st and 2nd Battalions were Regular soldiers. The 3rd and 4th Battalions  were Militia - part-timers who did seven weeks initial training and about 6 weeks summer camp for six years.

In 1900 until just before the 1901 census they created two additional Regular battalions. These were named 3rd and 4th and while they lasted the Militia dropped to 5th and 6th. About half the Militia went to South Africa and fought in the Boer War. Those that did not go were usually discharged. So you need to check the medal rolls on Ancestry. His number will be a lot lower - about 4-5000. There is a virtual complete set of Militia papers on Findmypast. It will tell you if he went to SA.

His WW1 number shows there was a long break in service. Unfortunately the SWB badge roll gives his unit he was transferred to for discharge, and not the one he served with in France. You need his WW1 papers to have survived the 1940 fire to discover that.

btw...A.C.I. 75 of 1921  is Army Council Instruction 75 of 1921. But I cannot discover what it covers.

Ken

[SoupDragon64]

Hi Ken, thanks for this.
I have a transcript of his Silver War Badge award from FindMyPast, but got the original copy a while ago on Ancestry.  I also found today, thanks to Stephen Nulty on here, a further Award card.

All this information is alien and very overwhelming for me, so will probably take me ages to understand much of it, but thanks to everyone on here who has helped I have found much more in the last day than I would have ever have hoped to in a very long time on my own   Have had to attach the war medal card found today, as it will  not let me post it here.

mmm45 - does the qualifying date mean the date they went to wherever, in this case France?

Soupy64

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