Soldier not listed on the ww1 database

[SoupDragon64]

Hello All,
I've had my great grandfather's medal card for a while now, along with details from the medal roll (on Ancestry) and have just used the info on them to try and find him on the database for the King's Liverpool Regiment (on the Liverpool Museum website), but keep getting the message they have no details.

I have his service number, rank (private) correct name etc, but whatever I put in I have no luck.  Why would he be missed off this do you think?  Is there anywhere else I could find out information so that I can go on to find out where he served?  I can't find out what batallion he was in and it doesn't say on the records I have. I know he was overseas, it says so on the medal roll.  I would also like to find out why he was discharged as being unfit to continue serving,and I hoped I might find a clue in his records. He served from 1914 to June 1918.

Any help would be really appreciated, as I don't know where to look next.
Thanks so much

[Craclyn]

Have you considered the possibility that there may have been a spelling error on entry to the database? Although you have the correct name, he may have been registered online with a variant.

[GR2]

What is his name and service number?

[SoupDragon64]

Hello both, and thanks for the quick response,
His name is Edwin James Miles NEWBY and his service number is 25068.  On the Find My Past listing he is listed as Edwin Jas Miles (thought this might be an abbreviation of James).

I tried searching just using his service number, so that if he was listed under a different/misspelled name his record would still come up, but no luck

Thanks again

[KGarrad]

On his medal card it gives the reason for discharge:

A(rmy) O(rder) 265/17 (Silver War Badge)

Para 2 B 1

Para 2: Under the amended conditions the badge will, subject in every case to the approval of the Army Council, be issued only to the individuals specified below, who have served with the military forces subsequent to the 4th August, 1914:

Sub-para B: Those who, having served as soldiers and being still of military age, have been discharged under the conditions set forth at (i) and (ii)
(i) After service overseas in the armed Forces of the Crown, on account of disablement or ill-health caused otherwise than by misconduct,
(ii) After service at Home, and have been medically examined and finally discharged from liability to further military service under sub-section (5) of Section 1 of the Military Service (Review of Exception) Act, 1917, as permanently and totally disabled, otherwise than from misconduct.

So he was discharged on account of disablement or ill-health, and given a Silver War Badge to prove to all that he had indeed served in the war.

[GR2]

"Jas." is indeed an abbreviation for James.

The details for him from the Silver Badge Roll say he enlisted 30-12-1914, was issued with the Silver War Badge 12-6-1918, and was discharged 18-6-1918. The cause of discharge on the roll is 392 (xvi) B1. All that the (xvi) means "No longer physically fit for war service", no more specific reason being given.

[mmm45]

There are no campaign medals on Index Card  so he MAY not have served overseas OR there may have been another Medal Card lost(some are missing)....SWB says overseas service.Also he MAY have served in Ireland so won't have campaign medals as it was classed as home service.

you may be able to guesstimate his battalion with finding similarly numbered lads who were casualties as soldiers were often allocated to battalions in "batches" its not guaranteed but sometimes works
You need a database like Soldiers Died In Great War to do it effectively though....my copy isn't to hand tonight

25053 M Maguire also a dischargee has similar number no Overseas service discharged from Depot KLR

Ady

[philipsearching]

I tried searching "NEWBY" (with no other details) on the Liverpool Museum page and found:

NEWBY   EJM   EDWIN   L CORPORAL   025068


Apart from that, I didn't find the website useful.  All the links to find out more information end up on pages recommending external sources (such as the National Archives or the Army Personnel Centre).

All the best
Philip

[mmm45]

There are two medal cards for him if you search the national archives website

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/s/res?_q=Edwin+newby&_sd=&_ed=

Looks like ancestry have lost one ....downside is youll have to buy it

Ady