St Margaret Civil Parish cemetery Twigg

[KTwigg]

Hello. I am new to this board and new to research in England. I would like to find exactly where the following people are buried, and I am not certain I am understanding the format I found on the 1861 and 1871 census.
I found: Thomas Twiggs, Mary Twiggs, John Twiggs (son) -
Civil Parish:   St Margaret 
Ecclesiastical parish:   Christchurch
Town:   Leicester
County/Island:   Leicestershire
Country:   England
Registration district:   Leicester
Sub-registration district:   East Leicester...

Does this mean they are members of the Christchurch church? (if so, does it still exist?) (Church of England?) or St Margaret Church?(if so, does it still exist?) Do these churches have graveyards? How can I find out where they are buried? I have seen the text versions of civil deaths. Thomas 1880, Mary 1886, John in Billston at age 36.

Also, I think Thomas Twigg (born Killala,Mayo, Ireland appx 1800) is a son of Richard Twigg, of Quornden, (Richard Twigg-born 1776, and member of the Prince of Wales Fencibles.) Any thoughts on how I can prove that?
Thank you for any consideration,
KTwigg

[KGarrad]

England and Wales is divided into both civil parishes and religious (ecclesiastical) parishes.

The information you have found simply states that they were living in the civil parish of St Margaret, and also in the ecclesiastical parish of Christchurch.

They may well have attended Christchurch but, if they came from Mayo perhaps they were Catholic?

There is a description of the various churches in Leicester here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LEI/Leicester/LeicesterParishes.html

St Margaret's was one of the original 6 parishes in Leicester - the church dates back to c1200.
The original parish was broken up into newer, smaller, parishes in the early 1800's.


The municipal cemetery was opened in 1849 - due to the 1848 Public Health Act, many graveyards were closed.

There are contact details on the GenUKI Leicester page (under cemeteries):
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LEI/Leicester/index.html#Cemetries

[Tuggybear]

I have seen the text versions of civil deaths. Thomas 1880, Mary 1886, John in Billston at age 36.

Deaths registered as being in Billsdon may mean that John died in the old North Evington Poor Law Hospital. (I have a relative who died there and it took me a while and help from members of this board to discover that it was indeed the hospital.) This is now the City General Hospital.
Graves in municipal cemetaries can sometimes be traced through the local council (Leicester City, in this case.) provided you know which cemetary they are buried in.

[Annie65115]

I've looked at the Welford Rd burial index (Welford Rd was the main civil burial ground in Leicester town at this time).

I can't see any relevant Twigg burials, but there was a Mary Twiggs buried in 1886, age 76, and two Thomas Twiggs burials in 1880 (age 73 and 74). There was also a John Twiggs buried in 1881 age 36. He died in the asylum, which was indeed in the Billesdon district. If these look at all likely to be "yours", I can put more details on here.

I'm interested that you mention Richard Twigg from Quorndon; I have some Twigg/Twiggs ancestors from Quorndon from the same time period, though I haven't come across a Richard -- any more details?

[Annie65115]

I've just had a look at the census. Although the ages of the Thomas Twiggs mentioned above wouldn't fit yours, one was from Crab St which I see is where they were living in 1871.

Edited to add: Confused now! The same Thomas and "Mrs" Twiggs were still living in the same place in Crab St in 1881 -- so he can't have been buried in 1880! what's more he was 73 in 1871, and 70 in 1881 (I want some of whatever he was having  )  In both censuses, Thomas's place of birth  is given as Ireland and in 1881 it specifically states "in the army".

However, the enumerator has written that they refused to supply any more info, so perhaps he guessed the age.

[Annie65115]

The Leicester Chronicle had a death notice for Thomas Twiggs, age 73, of Crab St in October 1880.

So either there were 2 elderly men called Thomas Twiggs living in Crab St in 1880; or the 1881 census entrant, who was refusing to give much info to the enumerator, was an imposter   

[KTwigg]

Big thanks to KGarrad, Tuggybear, and Annie65115 for the knowledgeable and quick replies.

The Thomas Twigg I am focusing on is indeed the one on Crab Street. That he got younger with age and is also on the census post mortum tells me he was special (lol).

Since his age isn't consistant on the census, I am thinking he is the same one that I have a birth record in Ireland in 1800. on that record, the father is Richard Twigg, the mother is Catherine Fallon (from Killala), and in notes: "Father is a private in the Prince of Wales Fencibles."  I knew nothing about the Fencibles, so researched them and found they were a volunteer army based from Leicester around 1795 to 1806 or so. They volunteered to go to Killala, Mayo, to suppress the uprising of 1798. Looking for any Richard from the Leicester area at age 20 - 30 or so , I found that a Thomas and Mary Twigg  (in Quornden) had three Richards, presumably the first two died, and the third ( born 1776) would be the soldier later found in Killala. Since there is another Thomas born near Killala in 1840, I am thinking this Thomas stayed there until the Potato Famine years, and then relocated to his fathers area in England. The 1840 Thomas died in Crossmolina, Mayo, Ireland after raising a family, and that is where my line hails.

I will also be looking to connect the Quornden Twiggs with a brickmaker from Loughboro in the 1600's someday.

Annie has many interesting things to discuss. I'd love to see a transcript of that Leicester Chronicle death notice you mentioned. Also, I hadn't seen the 1881 census, and that sure raises a few questions..... That the birth location of "in the army" sure rings true though! As for the age, I have seen many times that couples age slower when a widow is giving the details. Same goes for unmarried young ladies. (At least in my family.)

And for Tuggybear, yes John died in the Asylum. Was that a mental hospital? Unmarked graves? lost records, etc? I would still like to figure which church Thomas and Mary belonged. It might have records/info , etc. Could you please state the most likely Anglican and Catholic based on the area of the city? Maybe I'll write a few letters.

Thank you all for your knowledge and help. It is appreciated.

[Annie65115]

The asylum was indeed a mental hospital but perhaps not as bad as the rest of your sentence would suggest.

My gt-gt-gt grandmother died in the asylum in 1884. She is buried in Welford Rd with some of her grandchildren. I'm not aware that there are any issues with "unmarked graves" for the asylum patients.

And in fact I have a copy of her admission record and also that of her daughter who was admitted there in 1890. I got these by going through the records at the Leicester record office. You never know, if you contact them, they might be able to do a search for John's asylum records too.

http://www.leics.gov.uk/recordoffice

In fact, they should be your first stop for any church records too. It's possible they might have more info on the army regiment as well.

Re Twiggs of Quorndon - a different gt gt gt grandmother was Eliza Twiggs, b Quorndon 1823. Her father was John Twigg, b Quorndon 1791, whose parents were John Twigg and Jane Hames who married in Quorndon in 1789. I've seen the marriage cert and I know that John was a widower when he married Jane, but my Twigg hunt ends there as the PRs were too faint for me to read them when I tried to go back further.

[Annie65115]

The Twiggs all seem to have been buried in shared graves, and not with each other, but just in case any of the other occupants of the graves have names that you can link with, here are the details:

Grave uN1153:
BRIERS   WILLIAM   1857   JUL   12   age 2WKS   GARDEN STREET   SAINT MARGARET   
TWIGGS   THOMAS   1880   OCT   21   age 73   CRAB STREET   SAINT MARGARET      
WOODFORD   ELLEN   1892   NOV   15   age 37   EASTBOURNE ROAD   NEW HUMBERSTONE      
BROWN   KATHLEEN ETHEL   1926   AUG   25   age 4    ISOL. HOSP. / 26 MILL HILL LANE   LEICESTER   


Grave uN905:
GREAVES   ALFRED   1858   DEC   1   age 4MTHS    SANVY GATE   SAINT MARGARET   CORONER'S WARRANT
TWIGGS   JOHN   1881   JUL   9   age 36   LEICESTER BOROUGH ASYLUM   HUMBERSTONE   
EASTWOOD   GERTRUDE LILIAN   1892   OCT   1   age 6MTHS    SHERARD ROAD   SAINT GEORGE      
EAST    ROBERT   1897   MAR   6   age 16MTHS   BRUNSWICK STREET   LEICESTER      
EASTWOOD   ELSIE EVELYN   1897   AUG   7   age 5MTHS    CHRISTOW STREET   LEICESTER   
EASTWOOD   SIDNEY WILLIAM   1900   DEC   29   age 21MTHS   21 ELM STREET   LEICESTER   

Grave uR1 2782
MORRIS   JAMES   1870   OCT   18   age 69   MELVILLE STREET   SAINT MARGARET
TWIGGS   MARY   1886   AUG   11   age 76   LEICESTER UNION HOUSE   SAINT MARGARET
MARSHALL   HARRIET   1895   NOV   19   age 7DAYS    BROWN STREET   SAINT MARY
WIGSTON   DANIEL   1920   NOV   17   age 66   30 SOUTHGATE STREET   LEICESTER
WIGSTON   ANNIE MARIA   1927   APR   20   age 64   30 SOUTHGATE STREET   LEICESTER