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Offline Lisa1975

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Wilhelm - St George in the East -brickwall
« on: Friday 30 May 14 18:42 BST (UK) »
Hi, i'm helping a friend with his family tree and haven't been able to find any records for his Great Grandmother Frederica. Wilhelm

Her marriage record, 1911 census and death record all show her year of birth as 1886 but i cannot find her on the 1891 or 1901 census so i'd be grateful for a fresh pair of eyes please.

The 1911 census (she is Frederica. Curl by then) mentions her birth place as Whitechapel and says she is a British Subject by Parentage

I have found a birth record for 1886 which may have been transcribed as Frederick in error

Any help with this brickwall would be appreciated :)
Hall/Dickins/Dickens/Griffin family - Stewkley, Bucks
West family - Grays/Hockley/Horndon, Essex
Berning family - Germany/London
Trevena family - Liverpool/Wirral
Kipling/Johnson family - Hull
Carney family - Congleton, Liverpool, Galway
Gill family - London
Le Prevost, Cohu,Mahy, Brehaut and Robin families - Guernsey

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Re: Wilhelm - St George in the East -brickwall
« Reply #1 on: Friday 30 May 14 19:04 BST (UK) »
Familysearch has that 1886 birth transcribed as Frederica:

Frederica Wilhelm
Registration Quarter:    Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:    1886
Registration District:    St. George In The East
County:London   

Vol:    1C
Page:374

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Re: Wilhelm - St George in the East -brickwall
« Reply #2 on: Friday 30 May 14 19:05 BST (UK) »
Familysearch has that 1886 birth transcribed as Frederica:

Frederica Wilhelm
Registration Quarter:    Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year:    1886
Registration District:    St. George In The East
County:London   

Vol:    1C
Page:374

Thank you :)

It was on Freebmd as Frederick
Hall/Dickins/Dickens/Griffin family - Stewkley, Bucks
West family - Grays/Hockley/Horndon, Essex
Berning family - Germany/London
Trevena family - Liverpool/Wirral
Kipling/Johnson family - Hull
Carney family - Congleton, Liverpool, Galway
Gill family - London
Le Prevost, Cohu,Mahy, Brehaut and Robin families - Guernsey

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Re: Wilhelm - St George in the East -brickwall
« Reply #3 on: Friday 30 May 14 19:38 BST (UK) »
I can't find the family at all on the 1891 or 1901 either. I wonder if, like my great grandparents, they anglicised  their surname? Looks as if you may have to get her birth certificate to find her parent's names, unless you have the wedding certificate with her father's name.
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Re: Wilhelm - St George in the East -brickwall
« Reply #4 on: Friday 30 May 14 20:31 BST (UK) »
You say in the first post that you have a marriage record showing her age - what does it say about the name and occupation of her father, and who were the witnesses?

Also, what was the bride's address at the time of marriage (and was it the same as the bridegroom's)?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Wilhelm - St George in the East -brickwall
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 31 May 14 17:42 BST (UK) »
You say in the first post that you have a marriage record showing her age - what does it say about the name and occupation of her father, and who were the witnesses?

Also, what was the bride's address at the time of marriage (and was it the same as the bridegroom's)?

Hi, sorry i should have said that i found the marriage entry for 1909 on Freebmd but no other info as of yet. I got her age from the bmd marriage entry and her age on the 1911 census. I'll order the marriage certificate today :) 
Hall/Dickins/Dickens/Griffin family - Stewkley, Bucks
West family - Grays/Hockley/Horndon, Essex
Berning family - Germany/London
Trevena family - Liverpool/Wirral
Kipling/Johnson family - Hull
Carney family - Congleton, Liverpool, Galway
Gill family - London
Le Prevost, Cohu,Mahy, Brehaut and Robin families - Guernsey

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk