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Johann Schildknecht
« on: Tuesday 27 May 14 14:46 BST (UK) »
Having put my own tree aside for several months, as I seem to have progressed as far as I can, I am now trying to help a friend find her ancestors. And I have got stuck very quickly!  ::)

I know that Johann Schildknecht (b. c1884 Austria) did not marry Lilian Clements, his partner of several years. They both worked in a hotel in Manchester. They lived together and are in the 1911 Census in Manchester saying they were married, but the children's birth certificates prove otherwise.

He was from Austria, and was deported in 1914 at the onset of the Great War. Alas, Lilian died in 1919, and the children found themselves fostered to relations and Barnardo's. Their father was never found. I suppose he might have died in the WWI.

I have traced the Clements family, but of the Schildknechts, I can find no clue. The name is not not even in the one name section of RootsChat!

I see there are several in the USA, and I guess he might have emigrated after the war. I don't have a subscription to any US records. And I am unsure how to look up Austrian records.

Any suggestions on how to proceed gratefully accepted.

meles
Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk<br />Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk<br />Harrison: London; Pollock<br />Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx<br />Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk<br />Rogers: London; Bartlett: London<br />Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants<br />Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 16:42 BST (UK) »
Hi meles,

There are some Austrian records on FamilySearch.org:

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list?page=1&countryId=1927070


Nanny Jan
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 18:00 BST (UK) »
Ah, Nanny! I might have guessed you'd be one of the first with a helpful suggestion.  :)

Thanks. I shall have a look.

meles
Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk<br />Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk<br />Harrison: London; Pollock<br />Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx<br />Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk<br />Rogers: London; Bartlett: London<br />Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants<br />Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 19:02 BST (UK) »
Hi meles,

Austria means Austria-Hungary, a rather big country (52 millions) and now divided to 13 different countries. His birthplace might be Budapest, Prague, Lwow, Cracow, Bratislava, Trieste, ... Sarajevo!

Johann / Johannes / Hans has been the christian name, no. 1 in German speaking countries.

NB: The map of Austria-Hungary: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Austria1914physical.jpg
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies


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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 19:14 BST (UK) »
Thank you. I think!  :)

meles
Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk<br />Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk<br />Harrison: London; Pollock<br />Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx<br />Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk<br />Rogers: London; Bartlett: London<br />Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants<br />Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 19:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Hungarian_Army, there are weblinks,
more on the German page, somewhere might be a datebase with the Austrian soldiers KIA.

Or ask a question via twitter to the WW1Archives on 10th of June, see calendar.

Best regard & good luck
Rudolf
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 21:22 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I have found a grave:

Johann Schildknecht, grade: Gefreiter, KIA or MIA: 13.09.1916
France, Pont-a-Vendin. Block 2 Grab 118
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont-%C3%A0-Vendin

Found at http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche.html German graves!
But he is not on the German list of losses!
http://des.genealogy.net/eingabe-verlustlisten/search/index 1914 - 1817 are entered by crowdsourcing.

The others:
Johann Schildknecht, grade: Gefreiter, KIA or MIA: 13.07.1916,
Grave: France, Manicourt - Block 7 Grab 603
WIA and +, before 1916-08-10
from Bremen   
http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/4602350

Johann Schildknecht, grade: Reservist, MIA: 17.04.1917, near La Ville au Bois
France, Soupir. burial with comrades.
WIA (light) bef. 1914-10-06
* 2.4.1887, Bavaria, MIA 1917-06-06 or earlier
http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/162557
http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/5873573

Johann Schildknecht, grade: Unteroffizier
* 24.12. 18..,. Lörrach-Stetten or Lörrach
WIA (light) bef. 1915-09-29
KIA before 1918-08-07
http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/2933815
http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/4349896
no grave in graebersuche!


There is no online database for Austrain graves.

- http://www.osk.at/
- Press "Grabnach-
            forschung"
- you have to enter your name, ...
- you have to enter the name
- and the birthday of Johann Schildknecht.

ÖSK is the Austrian Black Cross https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96sterreichisches_Schwarzes_Kreuz

Best regards
Rudolf H. Boettcher

http://blogs-stories.blogspot.de/2014/05/ww1-cousins-killed-in-action.html
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: Johann Schildknecht
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 21:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Rudolf. That's very interesting. I appreciate your efforts.

meles
Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk<br />Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk<br />Harrison: London; Pollock<br />Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx<br />Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk<br />Rogers: London; Bartlett: London<br />Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants<br />Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk