Rebecca Judith Larcher

[amondg]

Elizabeth Larcher married John Monks could also be the daughter of the other Andrew Larcher born 25 June 1802, he couldn't write either. Unfortunately the other witness seems to be the parish clerk.
The tree on ancestry has both families mixed together.

[philipsearching]

Elizabeth Larcher married John Monks could also be the daughter of the other Andrew Larcher born 25 June 1802, he couldn't write either. Unfortunately the other witness seems to be the parish clerk.
The tree on ancestry has both families mixed together.

I previously wrote:
Sorting out the different Andrew Larchers is a real nightmare.  This is not the best thread to deal with the various Andrews as there are other threads dealing with the Larcher lines
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=91844.msg4804466#msg4804466
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=745484.msg5942702#msg5942702

Please would it be possible to concentrate on Rebecca here, as this thread was originally about her?

Trees on Ancestry (and other sites) are too unreliable, so the only trustworthy information has to come from images and reliable transcripts.

With thanks
Philip

[Barbara F]

Hi Philip

In your situation I think I would buy some death certificates. 

Andrew b 1813 and Ann Rebecca were both buried in 1838 and the burial records show abode at death as Gibraltar Gardens. In 1841 there was an Andrew Larcher at that address aged 65. 

Seeing who registered the deaths and any other information about the individuals  may well help solve some problems eg Ann Rebecc's certificate should state whether she is a widow and if so will probably give her husband's name and occupation.

Barbara

[..claire..]

Hi Philip,

I agree here with Barbara, the death certificate should answer your questions regarding (Ann) Rebecca.

Going beck to the early baptism that Barbara found - this John Hartley baptised children until at least the late 1770's that I can see. Maybe ( I can't see a burial) this early Rebecca died and there is a later child born, more fitting with the 1784 YoB we are looking at.

Claire

[philipsearching]

Many thanks, Barbara and Claire.

I have ordered the death certificate for "Ann Rebecca" 1838 to see if it can give extra information.

The age of Rebecca is a concern- I am inclined to agree with the idea that Rebekah bap1764 may have died young and another child been given the name.  At the very least, I feel sure there is some degree of kinship.

Just to see if the names changed I checked the images for birth/baptism I have:
Mary Ann 1806 - Andrew and Rebecca (nonconformist)
Elizabeth 1808 - Andrew and Rebecca Judith (nonconformist)
Harriet 1811 - Andrew and Rebecca Judith (nonconformist)
Matthew 1813 - Andrew and Rebecca Judith (Shoreditch PR)
Thomas Mark 1820 - Andrew and Rebecca (cert of birth)
so no help there, except to confirm that the middle name Judith was not a one-off.
amondg has found "Rebecker" signing as witness to children's marriages in

As yet, I haven't looked at the siblings of Rebecca bap1764 (I'm holding back until I prove my Rebecca's birth).  If the age on the death of Ann Rebecca 1838 (found by Claire) of 58 is correct this would suggest that Ann Rebecca was born c1784.

My next step is to see what the 1838 death cert says.  Hurry up, GRO!

Philip

[philipsearching]

The death cert has arrived.

Ann Rebecca LARCHER d 23 Jul 1838 at 10 Gibraltar Gardens, age 54, wife of Andrew LARCHER a weaver.  Informant Andrew LARCHER widower (his mark).  This has to be my Rebecca.  I don't know where the name Ann is from (maybe the registrar made an error which Andrew, not being literate, would not have noticed or, more likely, the grieving Andrew got confused and gave his daughter's name by mistake).

The age of 54 gives a birth year of c1784 - which is 20 years after the baptism of Rebekah daughter of John HARTLEY, mercer of Fleet Street.  Perhaps my Rebecca was the daughter of a brother of Rebekah?

The search goes on!
Philip

[..claire..]

That is good news Philip, at least one thing answered.

Here are the other children baptised to John Hartley at Carter Lane London, John was a mercer living on Fleet Street on all records

Thomas bpt. 12 Dec. 1762
Benjamin bpt. 23 Nov 1766
Fowler Bpt. 19 Feb. 1769
Smith John bpt. 13 Sept 1772
Martha bpt 16 Feb 1777

There is this one too -

Elizabeth HEARTLEY bpt. 7 June 1773 daughter of John HEARTLEY and Susannah his wife, he a weaver of ChristChurch Spitalfields

Not sure if it's the same family - only 9 months after the baptism of Smith John in 1772, possible but not sure.

Claire

[..claire..]

The above Elizabeth is a different family, the couple baptise a son Israel in 1777

Israel bpt. 1 June 1777 City Road, London, father John a weaver from ChristChurch Spitalfields and Susannah.

[philipsearching]

The above Elizabeth is a different family, the couple baptise a son Israel in 1777
Israel bpt. 1 June 1777 City Road, London, father John a weaver from ChristChurch Spitalfields and Susannah.

(following your discovery of:
Elizabeth HEARTLEY bpt. 7 June 1773 daughter of John HEARTLEY and Susannah his wife, he a weaver of ChristChurch Spitalfields)

This is a great find.  Thank you so much, Claire.  I thought I had looked at all reasonable spelling variants of HARTLEY(MARTLEY?) but I had just not thought of HEARTLEY.

With this new discovery it seems much more likely that John HARTLEY (mercer) is a red herring (although possibly a relative) and that John and Susannah HEARTLEY are the couple of whom to track offspring.

Philip