The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson Revisited Again

[Ruskie]

Hi again Steven,

We have Mary’s burial as follows:

Westminster Burials
Mary Ward
Richmond Bdgs
50 yrs
Where buried: ‘2nd gound’
Dues: £1 1s 8d

The following certificates have been purchased (the first one appears to be the one alpinecottage mentioned):

Dec q 1847
St James Westminster
London
1 113
[this Mary died in the Poland Street workhouse on 8 December; weeks after "our" Mary was buried.]

Mary Ward
Dec 1847
Pancras London
1 328
[a spinster who died from influenza]

Yes, we believe Mary seems to have had cancer, but were very curious to know the official cause of death.

There may be some missing records, which would explain why we can’t find her. There is further detail about the search at reply #41. 

[alpinecottage]

The following certificates have been purchased (the first one appears to be the one alpinecottage mentioned):

Dec q 1847
St James Westminster
London
1 113
[this Mary died in the Poland Street workhouse on 8 December; weeks after "our" Mary was buried.]

Mary Ward
Dec 1847
Pancras London
1 328
[a spinster who died from influenza]

No, the one I'm suggesting is the correct one is the one registered at Marylebone - her age at death was 50 which matches the burial record.  The St James registered one was 62 years old.  My understanding is that the Marylebone certificate has not been bought.

[Ruskie]

Ah, thanks alpinecottage. I will have a look at that one. 

Added: a passing thought ... I requested the GRO search with vague perameters to try to catch the right death, but they didn’t pick this one up. Could be a number of reasons for this I suppose - my perameters were too specific or if they did a physical search they may have missed it? 

[Ruskie]

I found the Marylebone death - volume 1 page 152. It appears on the GRO and on Freebmd.

I can’t work out how we missed this one before.  Why didn’t the GRO didn’t pick it up either?

Does anyone know if new records have come online in the past couple of years?

It bothers me that we missed this .... there were many of us searching for her likely death registration, many of us speculating on her illness and cause of death. Surely we can’t all have overlooked this Marylebone death? 

As it is so long ago, I can’t recall the full details of the search though ....

I will consider purchasing it. 

[alpinecottage]

The Indexes that were available on Freebmd, Ancestry, Findmypast etc were taken from the indexes originally compiled by the GRO clerks.  In the last couple of years, completely new Indexes for early births and deaths have been compiled by (or on behalf of) the GRO, which are publicly available to search here https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

The certificates are obviously the same but the indexes seem better and they include age at death for the early death certificates and mother's maiden name for early birth certificates.  Does beg the question about 1. what's on the Marylebone certificate and 2. how well the GRO staff searched   

[Ruskie]

I wondered how well the GRO staff searched too. I’m sure they have more pressing duties than searching for an 1847 death though. 

I’m 100% sure one of us would have spotted that death years ago if it had been in the index.

Curious.

... but at least you have found it now.  I will do some double checking to see of I can locate my previous searches, then seriously consider ordering it in the next few days.

[alpinecottage]

... but at least you have found it now. 

We  hope!!     

[alpinecottage]

I've just checked the old index - the death is there.  It must be that something is a very poor match (assuming this is Nathaniel's mum's death)

Whether to buy it depends on how much you want to know what it says, I suppose.  We need to crowdfund this quest   

[Tom Bryceson]

Hi all, I am blogging about the diary throught this year. See here.

https://wordpress.com/posts/nathanielbryceson.wordpress.com

Tom Bryceson