Mother's maiden name mystery?

[fetlar13]

jaywit

Blimey you're quick. I was typing my last replay saying I couldn't find a Waller-Brant marriage and there you go and find it!

Thanks, but still a mystery where Summer came from I can't see someone's handwriting being that bad as Waller to be transcribed to Summer or could it?

Steve

[fetlar13]

Jaywit

I'll have to start reading more slowly. Just noticed that it was a Richard Thomas WALTER not Waller, or is that a typo??

Steve

[jaywit]

No the record does say Walter, problem is I can't find either him or Mary Ann in 1841.

[fetlar13]

Curiouser and curiouser!

Now I've got WALTER after thinking it was WALLER for a couple of years. SUMMER still can't get my head around that?  As for John Vorwerg it only took me 27 years to tie him to John William as being one and the same person.  Started this family tree malarkey in 1987 when my eldest was born and my Dad's family has been a nightmare, Mum's was easy her family are all from a little island in Shetland, called Fetlar.

Thanks for your help but I need a lie down now!

Cheers

Steve

[fetlar13]

Just had a quick look on Free BMD and found a death of a Richard Thomas Walter in 1845 registered at St Saviour, Southwark I wonder? The Dobson family first appear south of the Thames in Rotherhithe, where John Daniel Stephen's Grandfather, Robert Dobson was a Brewer of Swan Lane. 

[DaveKe]

So,  this woman married firstly in 1831,   and had another child later in 1855 ?     And the names seem to not match ?     

Of course, it is not impossible for a woman to have another child 24 years after her marriage,  but given the name confusion also,  I'd be worried that these are two entirely different people.

It's also possible that Daniel Brant was her father,  but if her parents were originally not married,  her name as baptised might have been Summers,  her mother's name.

[Galium]

The original image of the 1831 marriage gives Richard Thomas' surname fairly clearly as WALLER, both where the vicar has written it and in Richard's signature.

[fetlar13]

DaveKe

Mary Ann gives her age as 64 in the 1871 census, so she was 48 when she gave birth to her youngest (to the best of my knowledge) who was my Gt. Grandfather John Vorwerg Dobson, born 30/03/1855. 

Name: Mary Ann Dobson 
Event Type: Census 
Event Date: 1871 
Gender: Female 
Age: 64 
Relationship to Head of Household: Self 
Birthplace: London, Middlesex 
Schedule Type: Household 
Registration District: West Derby 
Sub-District: West Derby 
Parish: West Derby 
County: Lancashire 
  Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self  Mary Ann Dobson  F 64 London, Middlesex 
Daughter  Mary Ann Dobson  F 20 London, Middlesex 
Daughter  Eliza Esther Dobson  F 19 London, Middlesex 
Son  John V Dobson  M 16 London, Middlesex 

So yes she appears to have been a "old" mother especially in Victorian times. I've no idea if Mary Ann had any children with her first husband?

The only Mary Ann Brant I can find with a father Daniel (mother Mary) is born 17/12/1807 in Aldgate, London. This would tie in with the age of 64 given in the 1871 census.

Hopefully your beginning to feel my confusion!

Cheers

Steve

[Millmoor]

Hi

Could this be the 1841 census? Richard Waller 35, Mary Waller 33 (depends which site you use whether surname is Walter or Waller) Address Little Alie Street, Whitechapel. Cannot make out Richard's occupation.

 There is an age discrepancy with the age showing on her marriage to John Dobson where it is 36 but the above seems to tie up with her age given in 1871.

Cheers

William