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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 15:56 BST (UK) »
To "Old Bowenfels" or Bowenfels ?    To Wallerawang where it is now,   or where it was 150 years ago ?   Via the old road, or the new one ?

Oh, sorry,  it's actually 12 kilometres !    Sooorrrry !    I must have been walking quicker than usual when I covered that distance in two hours.

I think that falls within the scope of "about 10 km down the road".

Perhaps you can inform us how far it is to those nearby places in the general area of Bowenfels,   Cowra or Booroowa ?

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 15:59 BST (UK) »
Do you want that as "The way the crow Fly's" or should I use Google Maps and travel times by foot or car?

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 16:07 BST (UK) »
RChat threads are easily found online via google.  I have offline resources and happy to look up.  I also know that NSW Civil Parish Maps are available via lpi online links that have been improved recently.
I will post more details once I have looked up my resources AFTER a good night's sleep and I am sure our OP understands this. 

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 16:18 BST (UK) »
So we do not miss the forest for the trees

 
I also notice there is a McKane's Fall Road in the area. Does anyone have any information on the history of the falls. Who was McKane?

From Roads and Marine Services, NSW :

“It is most probable that McKanes Falls, McKanes Crossing and McKanes Bridge are named after Archibald McKane. He was born in Edinburgh in 1807 and was trained as a joiner and ploughwright. He was convicted of cattle stealing in 1830 and transported to Australia for 7 years. He was sentenced to another 7 years for larceny in 1833. He was appointed as overseer of carpenters in the 1830s. He was involved in expeditions with Mitchell and was commended for his duties as a carpenter. He was granted his certificate of freedom in 1844”
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=heritage.show&id=4300003 


Archibald McKANE.  Died in 1850.  An Inquest (27 May 1850) into his death was held at Hartley.  It found he had been accidently killed. 

From an online submitted tree ….  Archibald McKANE (McKain), married Mary Ann BYRNE 24 Nov 1842 at Summerhill (JM adds, no, not the inner west suburb of Sydney, but Summerhill, near Bathurst)  Archibald and Mary Ann MCKANE’s farm at Bowenfels, was “Wellwood”.   

NSW BDM Early Church Records : Marriage MCKANE BURNS Vol 93, lines 2451 and 2663 of 1842 (likely that would be showing both the parish register and the transmitted entry !)  Burial Vol 105, line 470.  Archibald KAINE, aged 45.   

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 02:05 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

In the 1850s, “Old Bowenfels” was ummm….. not known as “Old Bowenfels” but simply as Bowenfels.   When the Railway came, then one of the stations on that line was named Bowenfels, and so, the original settlement became known as Old Bowenfels, and the settlement around the Railway became known as Bowenfels.  However, the railway did not get to Mt Victoria until 1868, to Wallerawang in 1870 and to Bathurst in 1876. So in the 1850s, it was simply Bowenfels.     The road we all know as The Great Western Highway, was once known as The Western Road.  And back in the 1850s, I think you will find that at Hartley it headed off towards O'Connell rather than off up the River Lett Hill.  :)

I have made some notes from  Grevilles 1875 PO Directory:

BOWENFELS
A township in the police and electoral districts of Hartley, county Cook, on the Western line, is 100 miles from Sydney.  The township is 3000 feet above sea level, three miles from Lithgow, and lies in the valley at the foot of the Zigzag.

HARTLEY
A township in the police and electoral district of Hartley, county Cook is 83 miles west from Sydney.  The township lies about five miles south of the Great Western line of railway.  Hartley lies in a valley amid the peaks of the Blue Mountain range, 2300 feet above the sea-level.

LITHGOW
a settlement and station Great Western line of railway, 97 miles west from Sydney.   

Here’s some further info that may be of interest.
1880s Railway timetable….
Mt Victoria, Hartley Vale, Mount Wilson, Clarence Siding, Eskbank, Lithgow, Bowenfels, Marrangaroo, Wallerawang, Rydal, Sodwalls, Tarana, Locksley, Brewongle, Raglan, Kelso Bathurst.  (Change at Wallerawang for the Mudgee Line).

The Distance from (South) Bowenfels to Wallerawang via the roads in the 1850s was far more than 12 Kms.  For instance, it was only in the 1930s that the Forty Bends Road (around the foot of Hassans Walls), diversion was made.   From Hartley to Wallerawang  ;D , in the 1850s  ;D  ;D, may I suggest the Western Road from Hartley did not go to Wallerawang ..... likely it would have been West via O’Connell and then north into Bathurst So back then, enter Bathurst from the SOUTH and not from the EAST.   And following on from my “tape measure” comment, I have found a Wiki page that others may find interesting.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Western_Highway   

McKane Falls Road  runs to/from from the intersection with Jenolan Caves Road, to the Great Western Highway at South Bowenfels. .  It is about 7 ˝ kms in length.   May I mention that from there to Wallerawang Railway station according to Google Maps it is about 17.85 kms

http://www.gnb.nsw.gov.au/place_naming/placename_search/extract?id=anYbBKKmGH Mckanes Falls are on the Coxs River, south of Old Bowenfels and about 2500 metres east of Mount Blaxland.

From the intersection of the Great Western Highway and McKanes Falls Road, South Bowenfels, travel 11.4 kms west on the GWH.
Take the Castlereagh Highway exit  850 metres
Travel on the Castlereagh Highway 4 Kms
Turn left onto Main St  and travel 1.6 kms, you should be at Wallerawang Railway Station.

11.40
00.85
04.00
01.60
17.85

It should have taken you about 17.85 kms according to that tapemeasure  :)


Civil Parish Maps  http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/ (Mapping and Imagery, Historical research etc) http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/mapping_and_imagery/parish_maps
http://www.lpi.nsw.gov.au/publications/search_guides

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=538663.0



Now to get on with looking for McKenna for our OP  :)

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One of my rellies has just phoned and reminded me that initially during the Convict era, the locality was known as Bowen Hollow and it was a minor Convict Stockade in the 1830s  :) ....

http://www.comleroyroad.com/convict-stockade-bowens-hollow.html

http://www.tablelandsway.com.au/news.asp?id=10&pid=21 

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12857406 smh 20 Sept 1839  (Capture of Bushrangers beyond Wallerawang, by the Bowen Hollow Police Sgt, and locking them up at Hartley)

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0zco/ pdf with historic info, maps, etc

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 05:02 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

From the pdf linked in my last post,
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0zco/

I quote (pg 29 of the pdf)

"On Mitchell’s line immediately to the west of Forty Bends Road as far as Old Bowenfels, part of his road which is still the Great Western Highway, other service buildings began to burgeon from the 1830s onwards. The Corderoy family store dates from 1834, the McKennan store from 1845 (the Travellers Arms after 1862), the Bowenfels Inn (now Umera) built before 1857 and the first National School over the Mountains, opened in 1851 with a new school building added in 1866. "

I notice the mention of the McKennan store from 1845  :)  perhaps it is just a co-incidence that McKenna and McKennan may well have sounded the same when spoken aloud in the 1840s/50s  :) but perhaps it is worth our OP following up  :) to at least eliminate McKennan  :) as it seems to me it MAY BE a lead....

I am looking for the family name McKenna (or something that sounds similar) in the 1850s in the Bowenfels area near Lithgow NSW.  Just looking for leads at the moment.

Cheers,  JM


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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 06:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Katherine,

The Travellers Inn, on the Bathrust Road, at Hassans Walls, District of Vale of Clwyd…  1834, 35, 36, 37 …… a Michael KENNAN is indexed as the licencee.  Also, a Dennis KENNY, Solitary Creek, Vale of Clwyd, Hartley July 1838, Queen Victoria Inn 
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/searchform.aspx?id=69&new=1   (KENNA and McKENNA at that index too, Carcoar mentioned )

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 May 14 06:20 BST (UK) »
Perhaps, or perhaps not .... but at least here's some interesting info  :) that perhaps you may find useful in the quest for leads

http://members.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/keenan/keenan_pubs.htm

http://members.pcug.org.au/~pdownes/keenan/

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Re: Bowenfels area of NSW - looking for McKenna or similar surname
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 25 May 14 14:14 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone. Thanks to those who posted replies.
Firstly, let me address those who were disgruntled by my OP. As it was pointed out, if you don't like my query, then it is not compulsory to post to it! Yes, I withheld other information as was pointed out, because I did not want those who posted to waste time gathering information on things that I already have, or information that was of no use to me. I was just asking if anyone (perhaps in the course of their own research, or with a knowledge of the area) had come across a surname similar to McKenna.  :(

Now....I think Majm has grasped what I was after. Thankyou. I am looking into those leads. I was excited about the reference to Michael Keenan/McKennan and his store, but cannot yet link my ancestor to his family either. I cannot find any more on Dennis Kenny, but he is certainly also in the right area.

I have a newspaper clipping which mentions a Henry Hart having known my ancestor for something like 60 years. From what I have seen, he was a carrier in the Bowenfels / Hassan's wall area in the 1850s. I am quite sure this is where he knew my ancestor from, as her future husband was also living nearby at Solitary Creek.

The period of her residence in the Bowenfels area was prior to 1862. This predates the railway. I am not sure that parish maps will be of use, because, from what I have read it seems that the area had a few larger landholders, and I suspect she might have worked on one of these properties. I have already been to the local history group, but they didn't seem to have anything that could help me.

Katharine.