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Re: Scotland's People .. Cannot Find Records .. Why?
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 14:23 BST (UK) »
I may have missed it,   but why exactly do you believe that John's father died between his conception and birth ?

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« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 14:45 BST (UK) »
I may have missed it,   but why exactly do you believe that John's father died between his conception and birth ?

I think we've moved on a wee bit since t Alex's first post, DaveKe.  We're still trying to find a death record for Robert. If you want to help search, it might be worth you having a read of all the associated posts on this thread.


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Re: Scotland's People .. Cannot Find Records .. Why?
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 15:19 BST (UK) »
I've read all the other posts...   John mother was a widow by 1861.

Why the intial insistence that he must have died within a narrow 9 month window ?     Did John's birth certificate state his father was already deceased ?

There is no point in "helping to search",  if the information being given initially seems to be a complete red herring.

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« Reply #39 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 18:00 BST (UK) »
I don't think New Zealander (Alex) was implying that Robert died within the 9 months from John's conception to his birth, DaveKe. :)
He knew that Isabella was a widow on 1861 and that according to his Family Bible John had been been born in  Feb 1855. Therefore Robert was alive mid 1854 and dead before 1861 Census. That was before we found what appears to be the births and deaths of 2 babies Jane and Agnes to the couple. It would now seem Robert was alive till approx 1858 (Agnes's birth) But we have been unable to find a death ???
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« Reply #40 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 19:30 BST (UK) »
Looby

Thank you for that clarification .. it took the words right out of my mouth !!

I have appreciated very much the time and effort that everyone has put into this search and would never knowingly "post a red herring". 

Alex G ;D

Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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Re: Scotland's People .. Cannot Find Records .. Why?
« Reply #41 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 19:34 BST (UK) »
Looby

Thank you for that clarification .. it took the words right out of my mouth !!

I have appreciated very much the time and effort that everyone has put into this search and would never knowingly "post a red herring". 

Alex G ;D

No problem. I'm enjoying the hunt  ;D

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« Reply #42 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 19:49 BST (UK) »
Good Morning everyone from a very wet and damp Invercargill in New Zealand.

Some further information that may or may not assist.  A few years ago I considered that Robert Bryce may have been buried with his wife Isabella and consequently made several inquiries, including a few telephone calls to the Glasgow City Council and the Mitchell Library.

From here I established a death record for Isabella Bryce at the Eastern Necropolis.  This read :- "Isabella Bryce mother of John Bryce, 184 Finneston Street, died aged 64, cause heart disease, Lair purchase number 9356, Lair owner John Bryce, Lair number 1463".

The Mitchell Library were unable to supply any record of the death or burial of Robert Bryce.  I did establish that John Bryce's wife Elizabeth Robertson died in 1940 and her burial is also recorded at the Eastern Necropolis, Lair location unknown.

Lair number 1463 that contains Isabella Bryce was purchased by son John Bryce in 1891.

John Bryce died on 08.09.1928 aged 73 years at the family home in 69 Hillview Street, Shettleston, Glasgow.  I have this record in the Family Bible, also the Death Notice from the newspaper and I think somewhere a Death Cert.

I also visited the Eastern Necopolis 12 months ago and have several photographs of the Bryce Lair.  There is no Headstone.  The Lair is near the boundary of the Eastern Necropolis that borders Gallowgate Road.

I don't know any way specifically to search the Eastern Necropolis unlike many cemeteries in New Zealand that can be searched online (i.e.  Invercargill's Eastern Cemetery) but wonder if it worth considering again that Robert Bryce is still interred there somewhere like the rest of the Bryces.

From other information I established that the Eastern Necropolis first opened in 1847.

Alex G ;D
Glasgow .. Glennie/Bryce, Aberdeenshire .. Glennie/ Grassick,
Clackmannanshire .. Bryce/Miller
Arbroath .. Spink
Oxfordshire .. Green
Cornwall .. Vincent

Ireland (Cobh) .. Sullivan

New Zealand .. Glennie/Bryce/Grassick/Spink/Palmer

Chatham Islands .. Rewai

Australia .. Glennie/Ross/Lusk

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« Reply #43 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 20:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Alex

It's now a lovely evening over here  :)

I've looked and looked for Robert, as has Looby, but after his being the informant at Jane's birth in 1856, there is nothing tangible. Isabella reported the birth and death of Agnes. It could be that he died sometime around 1856 (and Agnes was not his daughter - but she was named for his mother   :-\  ) but where is he? If he died outwith the Glasgow area, there don't seem to be any records  that seem correct  (I used a few SP credits looking!). If he died in a workhouse or as unknown, he might have just been recorded as  R B or <blank>. - I've seen some records like that.

Will keep looking but it is very mysterious.


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« Reply #44 on: Tuesday 20 May 14 20:41 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Yes I had wondered about Agnes's birth/death and who was the informant - Robert could have been dead but Isabella named him anyway as father. :-\
I hate to say it but he could have left the family and Isabella was just calling herself a widow (I've seen it happen before).
I take it when John married his father was recorded as deceased (apologies if you've already provided that info, just typing as I think.)
Looby :)

PS. Sunny evening in SW. Scotland too ;D