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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #63 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 07:39 BST (UK) »

You have not said where you are seeing the use of name Florence Beatrice???

Where Florence's four marriages might suggest some religious association, it is never Catholic........but she is buried in Catholic Cemetery.

And her mother Ellen FOGARTY has a family name often seen in Ireland.....and Catholic?

Might be worth seeing who is buried in same plot with Florence SANDRY?

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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #64 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 08:17 BST (UK) »
Might be worth seeing who is buried in same plot with Florence SANDRY?

There is no other person buried in the same grave plot as Florence.

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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #65 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 09:30 BST (UK) »
Have just logged on and absolutely amazed at what has been found.  Looks as though there is enough for a soap opera - thank you. 
Many thanks, Trying

Hope you will not mind an observation here, Trying. ;D

Looking back on the thread it is noted there were very many requests that you please furnish specific information in order to advance the search by some of our highly resourced experts.

As you see, when finally you did communicate the relevant information in the form we requested, things moved on very well as you acknowledge in the above statement.

Now to my point ;D

On numerous occasions you have been asked
"Where did you see the second name BEATRICE for Florence?"


As I type it remains an unanswered query.

If you cannot remember or feel it was a mistake in your recollection, you simply need to say so. Such things happen often.

Hoping you will take this observation in the good spirit it is intended and possibly oblige with an answer ;D
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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #66 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 09:45 BST (UK) »
As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, there may well have been more than one Mrs St CLAIR in Ashfield
This link places one of the name helping at a refreshment stall at a hospital opening in 1894. Could it be Ellen?

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13951838?searchTerm="mrs st clair's"  sailor&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-title=35

She is of Church Street

I note there is very little distance between Church St and John St Ashfield

By the way, use google to look at a street view of 11a John Street Ashfield. It is large and charming ;D

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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #67 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 11:44 BST (UK) »
On numerous occasions you have been asked
"Where did you see the second name BEATRICE for Florence?"
As I type it remains an unanswered query.
If you cannot remember or feel it was a mistake in your recollection, you simply need to say so. Such things happen often.
Hoping you will take this observation in the good spirit it is intended and possibly oblige with an answer ;D
Sue


Maybe from here   :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelma_Bate

"Born Thelma Florence Olsen in Sydney, she was the daughter of Norwegian seaman Olaf Olsen and his wife Florence Beatrice, née St Clair, who was born in Melbourne. Her mother married Carl Gustav Sundstrom in 1912; Thelma attended Fort Street Girls' High School before graduating from the University of Sydney with a Bachelor of Arts in 1928. She subsequently taught at Meriden School and travelled abroad."

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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #68 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 11:59 BST (UK) »
Hello Sue.  I wasn't worried too much about the name Beatrice, it was always there, right or wrong.  Thanks a lot.
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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #69 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 12:09 BST (UK) »
Have seen a photo of the John St house.  I suppose Cab Driver is connected with horses.  That seems to make more sense than a horse breeder, seeing Richmond would have been more urban than rural.  I suppose the latter sounds a bit better.  There were St Clair's, from the Gundagai St Clairs living in Ashfield.  Ellen St Clair (I really got excited), wife of James St Clair, one time chief constable at Gudagai, died there.  I am sure there is a connection with these families.  You folk are amazing at what you come up with.  I really am a novice!

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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #70 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 14:13 BST (UK) »
There were St Clair's, from the Gundagai St Clairs living in Ashfield.  Ellen St Clair (I really got excited), wife of James St Clair, one time chief constable at Gudagai, died there.
WRONG.

Eliza, the widow of James gave evidence at his inquest at Gundagai.
The Gundagai Times . . . . Friday 16 July 1880

The death at Ashfield in 1887 was Eliza.

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Re: Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne
« Reply #71 on: Tuesday 27 May 14 14:26 BST (UK) »
I think it would be really useful to know that you have accounted for all children born to Florence
 
Repeating given records -

BDM NSW births
249/1900  OLSEN               Hilda  parents Olaf / Florence                    Sydney             
19181/1904  OLSEN           Thelma F  parents Olaf / Florence               Sydney
19181/1904  SUNDSTROM  Thelma V    parents Olaf / Florence             Sydney

death
5931/1903  OLSEN  Sylvia F     parents     Olof / Florence                       Sydney

Can anyone see a birth for............presumably   this  child of Florence? 

On the death certificate 1958, informant H Davis knows herself to be a child of OLSEN marriage, and her sister Thelma to be child of SUNDSTROM.

marriage
1217 / 1926  DAVIS       Edward T   m.  OLSEN Hilda M           Marrickville
1217 / 1926  HALLIDAY  Edward T   m.  OLSEN Hilda M           Marrickville

Hilda Margurite DAVIS d 23 Nov 1996  96yrs  SMH 26 Nov 1996     Fairfield formerly Ettalong.

The 1904 birth certificate for Thelma would give previous issue. If it includes Sylvia, then death certificate for Sylvia, with birthplace, might identify where Florence and Olaf were then.

Florence has husbands who are mariners. They often took wife to sea with them and it is possible there is a birth to find recorded outside NSW.

Can someone remind me please......what happened to Olaf OLSEN and this marriage?