Florence Beatrice St Clair b 1877 Melbourne

[majm]

Well spotted Wivenhoe   brilliant ....   I will type up the rest of the documents shortly  but SINCLAIR is recorded on one instead of St Clair.   

However, may I please sidetrack for a moment  and speculate 

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast

Auckland Star, Volume XXI, Issue 36, 13 February 1890, Page 4

The large Norwegian barque India, Captain L Anderson, which left here on January25th last (nineteen days ago) for New York with a cargo of kauri gum and dressed flex, put back into port this morning in distress and leaking, having lost her deck houses forward, two boats, etc, in a hurricane a few days ago off the coast, and also had her fore-hatch cover carried away, besides losing several sails.   The extent of the damage to the cargo is as yet uncertain.
And
I also suspect that Captain L Anderson was an author….  See the adverts NZ Papers Past for UPTON & Co, 1893… for example New Zealand Herald, Volume XXX, Issue 9137, 2 March 1893, Page 8
 6/- for A Cruise in an Opium Clipper  and also 6/- for Among typhoons and Pirate Craft.   

Cheers,  JM   (Auckland to New York under sail - a barque ! in Jan/Feb rainy season  and Panama Canal not yet opened ....  )

[majm]

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=SFC18960730.2.111#   San Francisco Call, Vol 80, Number 60, 30 July 1896
The schooner Oceania Vance, now at Honolulu, has a new master.  Captain Dart, late of the schooner Sparrow, went down to the islands to assume command, but had to carry the matter to the consular courts before he could oust Captain Anderson.  The latter came back to San Francisco on the steamer Australia, but he has not so far gone near the owners.   The agent of the vessel says that since the vessel sailed for Australia they have never heard from the master, and learned by the last steamer, from outside sources, that he had taken three women with him, as passengers, from Sydney to Honolulu.  The managing owner would like to see Anderson.

May I speculate that Florence was likely one of those three women….  Perhaps Ellen St Clair and Maggie Colwell may also have been on that voyage.

So perhaps Florence and Lawrence stayed a while in USA and perhaps Florence had a child there?  I have not yet searched to find her return to Australia.... in time for her marriage to Olaf    Or perhaps the marriage ceased in July 1896 in Hawaii and Florence returned to NSW directly when Captain L Anderson went on to San Fran on the "Australia" .... at least there's ship's names to seek out passenger lists....

Cheers,  JM  (Hawaii not a USA state until 1959) 

[majm]

1958  #030232
(no. in local register, at Ryde  423)
Florence SANDRY
Female, 81 years,
Died 17th September 1958, at Hospital, Rydalmere
Usual residence 11a John St ASHFIELD
Born St Kilda, Victoria
Father: James St Clair, farmer
Mother Ellen Forgaty
THREE marriages listed

(1) Sydney NSW at 20 years of age to Alfred OLSEN
Hilda M, 57 years,
None deceased

(2) Sydney NSW at 25 years of age
Gustaf SUNDSTROM,
Five children, (JM is not listing them, male and female, except for the eldest, as JM has not established if any are no longer living)
Thelma F, 50 years
None deceased

(3) Marrickville NSW at 43 years of age
Sidney SANDRY
Widow   (JM adds, meaning that Florence in 1958 was Sidney's widow)
No issue

Informant  H Davis, daughter, 11a John St Ashfield.

Roman Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood, Leslie S Andrews, funeral director,  Rev J Kelly, witnesses C A Borland and J Hughes.

This document is on the current form used by NSW BDM, and is a cert issued this year (2014)

May I suggest our OP considers obtaining official transcriptions rather than real deal certificates.  The official transcriptions are a cheaper option, and arrive as email attachments, and are transcribed by experienced agents appointed by NSW BDM.

Here’s a thread…. .  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

ADD
Rookwood Cemetery  Florence SANDRY, aged 81, Catholic Mortuary 2 & 3, Section 20 Row 28, Plot 2547,


Cheers,  JM

[majm]

29 July 1912 (local register reference 296) Noting that outside the margin on the left is the NSW BDM details confirming that in July 1918 they received from the NSW Supreme Court this marriage was dissolved by divorce, and the notes that the wife was the petitioner

The marriage was At Redfern
Carl Gustaf SUNDSTROM, motor mechanic, of Kirkland (St/Rd, too dark to read clearly), Darlinghurst, Sydney a Bachelor born Stockholm, Sweden, aged 32,  (parents details listed)
And
Florence OLSEN, Home Duties, of Shepherd St, Marrickville, Sydney a Widow, born Richmond Victoria, aged 34, daughter of John SINCLAIR (deceased) a Grazier and Ellen FOGARTY.

Witnesses Ernest GRAINGER and Agnes THOMAS

According to Methodist Rites, officiating Minister J Sweetman THOMAS

And

ADD:

26 July 1919
Sydney Herbert SANDRY, boiler makers assistant of 104 Cook’s Rd, Marrickville a bachelor,  and Florence SUNDSTROM, domestic duties, of 104 Cook’s Road, Marrickville a Divorced Petitioner
Married by John BURGESS, Presbyterian Minister.
Sidney was aged 36, and Florence was 38. She was recorded as born Richmond, Victoria, with parents as John St CLAIR (deceased) Horse Breeder, and Ellen FOGARTY (by this era, the forms the clergy used clearly required the † to be used to show if the parent was known to be deceased).

This info is from the front page, the document is actually a double sided document, and there is significant info usually found on the reverse side.  (Including of course the names of the witnesses and hopefully the exact location of the ceremony)   I do not have an image of the reverse side.



Cheers,  JM

[majm]

   Florence in 1919 has given her father as a horse breeder, perhaps because her new husband has given his father (Thomas Stephen Sandry, deceased) as a Teamster.... She also gives her age as just two years older than Sydney, her new husband. 

However, I cannot find any mention of a Beatrice.

Cheers,  JM

[cupoflife]

Rookwood Cemetery  Florence SANDRY, aged 81, Catholic Mortuary 2 & 3, Section 20 Row 28, Plot 2547,
Cheers,  JM

Photo of Headstone/Burial
http://www.heavenaddress.com/restingplace/catholicrookwood/florence-sandry/189436

[majm]

So no Beatrice mentioned on the headstone either....

Well, it is getting a tad chilly outside, so instead of a sandwich in the sunshine, I have had lunch with my family history resources 

Sands 1914 (so entry lodged by Oct 1913)
Henry St CLAIR, 281 Cleveland St, REDFERN.

Sands 1890 (so entries closed Oct 1889)
John St CLAIR, “Irenia”, Nicholson St, BURWOOD
Mrs St. CLAIR, 22 Moncur St, WOOLLAHRA

Sands Suburban 1892 
BURWOOD
Nicholson St, south Side, from Wentworth to Burwood Road….
Four residences then Bold Street
George TARRANT, “Ellston”
John St CLAIR, “Irena”
and
WOOLLAHRA
Moncur Street  West Side
22 Mrs St CLAIR.   (from Wallis St, and two doors before John Street) 

Cheers,  JM

[CJB123]

Have just logged on and absolutely amazed at what has been found.  Looks as though there is enough for a soap opera - thank you.  Not sure if Henry is a brother, can't find his death, though there was a Henry St Clair and Beatrice Wall married 1907 in Sydney.  No sign of Hy, a piano tuner, after 1963 electoral roll, and Beatrice died 1968.  I am going to start again with the St Clair family, and hopefully things might seem clearer.

Many thanks, Trying

[majm]

Hi there,

I will type it up shortly, (see edit below) but here is a fresh transcription for the first marriage    Yes, I am sure that  Trying will confirm that my earlier transciption matches the record she holds for that marriage.  No, I have no reason to doubt the official transcriber who prepared this fresh one.   

YES, Florence's father has a different occupation on this one    Cab proprietor.   Yes, the name of ANDERSON's ship has a likely spelling error. 

ADD
16 April 1896 at 57 Phillip Street, Sydney NS Wales, according to Methodist Episcopal rites, BY w.t. adams
Lawrence ANDERSON, a Bachelor, born Edinburgh, Scotland, a Master Mariner, aged 45, usually residing on ship “Oceana Vauce”, with parents as Lawrence ANDERSON, (deceased) fisherman and Elizabeth WILLIAMSON (deceased)
Married
Florence ST CLAIR, a spinster, born Melbourne, Victoria, a Gentlewoman, aged 18, usually residing Surry Hills, with parents as John ST CLAIR (deceased) a cab proprietor and Ellen FOGARTY
With witnesses as Ellen ST CLAIR and Maggie COLWELL
Ellen St CLAIR, mother of the bride, gave consent to the marriage.

YES, I have seen this type of variation in information from NSW BDM on any number of occasions.  The earlier one is a transcription too, the difference is that it was transcribed by the NSW BDM employee at that time (27th April 1984)        and "occupation of father" was not a heading on the then 1984 form         Shhhhhhhhh      and I am happy to repeat myself ..... in 1984 they were not including occupation of the fathers of the couple ..... yes, that's right NSW BDM has had different rules at different times....      

EDIT, to highlight John ST CLAIR's occupation and to remove the image of the fresh transcription, in case it may infringe any copyright. 


Cheers,  JM