Tracing my great, great grandparents on my mother's side, Dunton, Smithson.

[budsyblues]

Hi everyone.
I'm trying to trace two families whose children were married in Arlington on 23rd September, 1849.
The bride and groom's names were John Dunton and Ann Smithson and I think they were both born in London, I know that John worked as a bricklayer after emigrating to Australia if that's any help.
I can't find any information about their parents except that the fathers were John Dunton and Richard Smithson, and that both of their mothers may have been called Emma.
Thanks for any help.
Neil.

[miriamkinga]

Candidate on the 1851 census - Ref H0107/ 1498/5/3

John Dunton 22, bricklayer journeyman b St James, Middlesex
Ann Dunton 24 also b St James
Mary Dunton 1 b St Giles, Middlesex

[AMBLY]

1849 Marriage in Parish Church, Bloomsbury St George
Both of full age (Bachelor & Spinster)
John's father was a Labourer
Ann's father was a Brush Maker
They were both listed at 1 Waters Place, Camden Town
The witness' were Richard SMITHSON & Emma SMITHSON

1841 CENSUS: Falconberg Court, Nr 1 (Just off or after Crown Street), Parish of St Ann Soho, City & Libertus of Westminster, Middlesex
HO107/Piece  730 / Book 3 /Folio 33 / Pg28
Richard SMITHSON 40, Brushmaker
Ann SMITHSON 40
Lavinia SMITHSON 15
Sarah SMITHSON 15,
Anne SMITHSON 14
Emma SMITHSON 12
Richard SMITHSON 10
All born in Middlesex

Cheers
AMBLY

[ciderdrinker]

Good afternoon
Checking the deaths for Australia- Ann Dunton died Donald Victoria 1915 age 88 and therefore born  1827.
I think that census is right and this is her baptism
Ann Smithson 17.9.1827 St Martins in the Fields to Richard and Ann Smithson tooth brush maker Castle St.
Other children for the couple
Lavinia 30.6.1823 St Martins in F Castle St
Sarah 17.9.1827 same
Emma Mary born 18.3.1829 bap St Anne's Soho 24.2.1833 Roses St
Richard William born 15.5.1831 bap 24.2.1833

The couple seem to have married twice
Richard Smithson and Ann Platt 21.4.1822 St Anne's Soho and 14.10.1824 St George Bloomsbury

1841 no 1 Falconsbury St St Anne Soho
Richard Smithson 40 brush maker y
Anne 40 y
Lavina 15 y
Sarah 15 y
Anne 14 y
Emma 12y
Richard 10y

1851 Eve Place St Pancras Kentish town
Richard 50 toothbrush maker ST anne's Soho
Ann 51 St Martins in the Fields
Emma 22 tooth brush maker St Annes
Richard 19 brush maker St Mary Lambeth
Robert Denham visitor 22 journey man carpenter  Scotland

1861 6 Crown Place Kentish town Richard and Anne
1871 no 10 Dunford Place
Death Richard Smithson 1800-June 1886 Pancras 16 68
Ann Smithson 1801-Mar 1874 Pancras 1b 131

Will see what else I can find
Ciderdrinker

[budsyblues]

Good afternoon
Checking the deaths for Australia- Ann Dunton died Donald Victoria 1915 age 88 and therefore born  1827.
I think that census is right and this is her baptism
Ann Smithson 17.9.1827 St Martins in the Fields to Richard and Ann Smithson tooth brush maker Castle St.
Other children for the couple
Lavinia 30.6.1823 St Martins in F Castle St
Sarah 17.9.1827 same
Emma Mary born 18.3.1829 bap St Anne's Soho 24.2.1833 Roses St
Richard William born 15.5.1831 bap 24.2.1833

The couple seem to have married twice
Richard Smithson and Ann Platt 21.4.1822 St Anne's Soho and 14.10.1824 St George Bloomsbury

1841 no 1 Falconsbury St St Anne Soho
Richard Smithson 40 brush maker y
Anne 40 y
Lavina 15 y
Sarah 15 y
Anne 14 y
Emma 12y
Richard 10y

1851 Eve Place St Pancras Kentish town
Richard 50 toothbrush maker ST anne's Soho
Ann 51 St Martins in the Fields
Emma 22 tooth brush maker St Annes
Richard 19 brush maker St Mary Lambeth
Robert Denham visitor 22 journey man carpenter  Scotland

1861 6 Crown Place Kentish town Richard and Anne
1871 no 10 Dunford Place
Death Richard Smithson 1800-June 1886 Pancras 16 68

Will see what else I can find
Ciderdrinker

Thanks very much.
The death is correct, although I don't have an exact date.
Ann was buried with John (who died in 1897) at Bendigo, Donald is not far away and I assume she may have moved there with one of the children following John's death.
One question, why would they marry twice?

[ciderdrinker]

hi
Duntons being a bit more difficult.
The death index for Australia gives a birth of 1829 and parents John and Mary Dennis at Bendigo Victoria 1897.
This may be the family 1841 Back hill St Andrews Holborn
Ann Dunton 30 y
John 50 labourer N
John 9 y
Sarah 6 y
But the age  for John is two years out ,perhaps he needed to be 21 for his marriage in 1849.
Possible baptism for father at Westminster 15.1.1793 to John and Frances Dunton born Dec 1892, but all possibles and not anything  for certain.

Ciderdrinker

[KGarrad]

The 1824 marriage:

14th October 1824, St George, Bloomsbury
Richard Smithson, of this parish    he signed
Ann Platt, of this parish     she made her mark
Married by banns.

Witnesses are John Harrison (who appears as witness in 3 of 6 marriages on the page in the register), and Jane Colborn (who appears as witness on another wedding on the same page)

[budsyblues]

Thanks for your help.
I looked as far as I could but I'm new to this so I don't really know how or where to search, but I figured that London in the mid 19th century would have been teeming with people and that it wouldn't be easy to locate my ancestors from among the masses.
The Australian records seem to be more comprehensive so I haven't had much trouble tracing their movements after their arrival, it's probably because there were far fewer people here, I've even managed to unearth some relevant newspaper cuttings.
I guess there wasn't anything very special about the sons and daughters of labourers and toothbrush makers in London circa1820. 

[AMBLY]

Hi

Richard SMITHSON and Ann PLATT appear to be the correct parents and the Census' found above also correct family. Ann's sister Emma went on the marry Robert Denham (the visitor in the SMITHSON home in the 1851 Census)  on 9 June 1851, just after the Census. Emma's 2 witness were: Richard SMITHSON and Ann DUNTON.

The signatures of the witness Richard SMITHSON on the 2 marriages (of Ann & of Emma) and the signature of the groom on the SMITHSON / PLATT marriage  all match:

Cheers
AMBLY