Father of James McKay Bishop?

[Ladyhawk]

Alfred John Bishop
Baptism   03 Oct 1869   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mckay,
Mary Elizabeth   born VENABLES

Mary Agnes Bishop
Baptism   06 Jul 1868   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mckay,
Mary Elizabeth   

George James Bishop
Baptism   11 Jun 1872   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mckay,
Mary Elizabeth   

Gertrude Bishop
Baptism   31 Mar 1878   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mc Kay,
Mary Elizabeth   

Edgar Arthur Bishop
Baptism   03 Aug 1873   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mc Kay,
Mary Elizabeth   

Ethel Emma Bishop
Baptism   16 Mar 1876   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mckay,
Mary Elizabeth   

Agnes Hannah Bishop
Baptism   11 May 1875   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mckay,
Mary Elizabeth   

Grace Mary Bishop
Baptism   16 Mar 1876   Vredefort, Orange Free State, South Africa   
James Mckay,
Mary Elizabeth

South Africa, Methodist Parish Registers, 1822-1996

[vangasser]

Thank you all for the Bishop information. I feel inclined to believe that the St Helena stint for John (Sgt. Major) is correct. Now, just to actually have a copy of James McKay's birth record (certificate), which should determine if he was born in the Cape Colony (which at tat time was part of the British rule), or on the island of St. Helena, where his father Sgt. Major John Bishop was stationed for several years.
I am not sure if the St. Helena civil records (or for the ecclesiastical records) were held in the UK or in the Cape Colony, South Africa. Does anyone have a clue how to find the civil and/or ecclesiastical (church) record are currently held? I will look on FamilySearch to try to find something there. Anyone else, who has more suggestions, please share with us. Thank you much, Ed v.


 

[Gillian Mauchan]

If you look in the catlog on FS there are some films for St Helena
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/156110?availability=Family%20History%20Library
I searched the indexed one for Bishop - no records found.

You may need to look for regimental records at Kew Gardens for a Bishop serving in St Helena. Again there would be no birth certificate you need to find a parish record. His DN says he was born in the Cape - there are no on-line Bishop baptisms in the Methodist church for the time of his birth so you may need to approach a researcher to go the Cory Library in Grahamstown to look for one (thats where the bulk of Methodist records are stored). 

[TreeSpirit]

You're lucky that I'm a hoarder of links ... had saved one for St Helena years ago

It’s hard to read but James’ baptism is on page 21 in document http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/inventories/inv_pdfo/AB2073/AB2073-1-1-5-03-jpeg.pdf
(Diocese of St. Helena, 1680-1986 - ST JAMES Baptisms)

[Gillian Mauchan]

Well done Tree Spirit - I had looked at the Cape Town baptisms but forgot that Wits had the St Helena baptisms  - the register page number as opposed to the PDF page no is 135
He appears to have a brother William in this register
http://www.historicalpapers.wits.ac.za/inventories/inv_pdfo/AB2073/AB2073-1-1-5-02-jpeg.pdf
Pdf pg 42 register page 108

Cant see any records in SA for John and Catherine Bishop

[TreeSpirit]

Well done Tree Spirit

Yes I felt good about it too until I realised that "iwccc" would have known about it already:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698172.0
 

[vangasser]

8 June 2021 – Hi Everyone at RootsChat interested in the Bishop line. Now this is a good day for the Bishop Family from Scotland. I spent this morning and found the following information. Finally, we have more information about John Bishop and his parents’ names and their place in Scotland. There seems to be confusion about birth date and place names. At least, I am grateful for the kind available resources. Now to find William's and Janet's parentage. Please feel free to join in the fun.
John Bishop      Male                                                                                                                                                          Birth  11 June 1870      ?                                                                                                                   Lasswade,Midlothian,Scotland                                                                                                                                          Parents:                                                                                                                                                                                     William Bishop      Male                                                                                                                                           Janet Douglas           Female                                                                                                                                                        Child: John Bishop   Male                                                                                                                                               Birth  13 March 1879  ?                                                                                                                                                                  Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom                                                                                                         Death  9 March 1902  South Africa.

[vangasser]

So sorry, I am not sure why the information is transformed into a step-like fashion.
John Bishop   Birth: 11 June 1870                                                                                                                                                                                                 Lasswade, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom                                                                                                                                                                      Principal - Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950                                                                                                                                                                                 Father: William Bishop                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Mother: Janet Douglas
Son: John Bishop

take care, Ed - vangasser

[iwccc]

Hello Vangasser. Excitimg news - so good to have a document showing baptism etc. Where exactly were you researching?  Are you also related to the Bishop family.  For your information currently two Bishop sons from South Africa are now permanently living in Australia and married to Australian girls. So some of the Bishops are moved again.