MILLINER family

[Nic011]

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I don't think its the same Milliners.  Will check my records over the next day or two when I have more time, but the name or area don't sound likley.  mine are mainly from the Amberley area.

Nicola

[davierj]

Hi Nicola, sorry about the delay in replying but I'm between addresses at the moment.   The simplest thing would be for you to click on the www link below the photo (symbol of the world - don't know 'proper' name for it) and look at the Milliners in the web site Welsh connection.   Hope it's of some use.

Dave

[TMAL]

Hi Nicola,

Thanks for your useful info. re the Milliners.

My wife, Joan's g.g.g.grandparents were Isaac & Mary Milliner.

Her g.g.grandparents were Jacob & Mary Milliner

We can go no further back than that.

We live in California, but we spend a couple of months in Swansea every year.

I did notice that a Brian Milliner (who has also provided a lot of Milliner info.) lives in Swansea and we'll try to contact him this summer.

Thanks again

Martyn

[davierj]

Hi Martyn, welcome to Rootschat.   I have a connection to the Milliner family but I don't know if it's the same branch as yours.   They are from Cold Ashton in south Gloucestershire and the earliest record I have is of an Isaac Milliner born about 1787 and was buried 13 Feb 1853.   He married a Margaret Waits (or Witts) 20 April 1812 and they had 4 children, Robert, Elizabeth, William and Rose.   All above in Cold Ashton.
William married Elizabeth Keynor and later Mary Fishlock and he had a total of 5 children, Reuben and Emma with Elizabeth and Phillis, Nun and Lot with Elizabeth.   they were all born between 1846 and 1864 in Cold Ashton.   they were big on biblical names.
Hope this rings a bell, cheers Dave

[Nic011]

Hello Martyn,

Trying to work out the connections! I descend from Issac Milliner and Mary Brazier, who had a son Jacob Milliner who married Mary Tyler. They had an Albert Issac (born 1843).  His son William Robert (born 1879) who was my g. grandfather.  William Robert moved to Swansea and had four children,  one  - Elsie (1915) was my grandmother. Another a son - Robert is Brian's father. 

Therefore Brian is my mother's cousin or my second cousin.  I was born in Swansea and my parents still live there.  Would not be a problem to put you in touch with Brian!

You say that your wife descends from Jacob and Mary, which of their children does she descend from?  As I say my link from them is through their son Albert (1843).  If you don't mind me asking what is your link with Swansea?

Looking forward to hearing back from you.

Nicola

[TMAL]

Hi Davierj & Nicola,

Thnks for such quick replies.

Nicola:

My wife and I were born in the Rhondda, married in the Rhondda, but emigrated to California 50 years ago.  My mother moved to Sketty and we kept her flat after she died so we stay there every summer.
Coincidentally, my wife encountered a Cyril Milliner (now deceased) in Swansea and he was her first cousin.  They shared grandparents, Robert H. Milliner (b. Patchway, 1856) & Sarah E. Milliner.  As a further coincidence, Cyril was the boss of our next door neighbour in Swansea.

Nicola & Davierj:

This is what we believe to be my wife's lineage:

Isaac (b. 1739, in Leigh Delamere, Wilts.) & Mary (Beazer?)
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Jacob (b. 1775, in Church Yatton,) & Mary (Tyler)
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Robert (b. 04/02/1816, in Almondsbury, Glos.) & Sarah (Iles)
    |
Robert Henry (b. 1856 in Almondsbury, Glos.) & Sarah Ellen (Thomas)

Said Robert Henry is my wife's grandfather.

After Robert H. died, in the early 1900s, Sarah moved to the Rhondda fach with five sons, all of whom ended up in the mines.

We're pretty certain of the lineage back to Jacob because of birthplaces and residences stated in census records from 1841 to 1911, and other oral family history.  Robert (b. 1816) was still living with Jacob in 1851 when Jacob was 76 and Robert was 34.  Robert married Sarah in 1852.

So, Nicola, Jacob is your 3g.grandfather, and is my wife's 2g.grandfather.  That makes you and my wife 3rd cousins, once removed.  Your mother is my wife's 3rd cousin.

As to Isaac (1739), we obtained that info. from a forum post by Brian Milliner.

Davierj:
Interestingly, your ancestor, Robert Milliner, moved to Pentre and worked as a miner, just like my wife's dad & uncles in Rhondda Fach.  My wife's dad died more than 60 years ago but my wife has no recollection of her Dad mentioning a cousin in Pentre.  There were quite a few Milliners in the Rhondda fach.

However, given the Glos. connections., I suspect that you and my wife share a common ancestor - maybe Isaac (b. 1739) , or further back.

Thanks again for helping me out.

[TMAL]

Davierj,

I noticed you are researching Jones in West Wales.

I am descended from Thomas Jones (b. Julky, 1801) in Penboyr nr. Newcastle Emlyn. Later in the mid 1800s, he owned Aberlleinau farm.

Any connection?

Thanks.

[davierj]

Unfortunately I don't think there's a connection with the Jones family.   My Jones family were from Montgomeryshire and the Aberystwyth area.

I was aware that Robert Milliner moved to Pentre and his son, my father in law, moved to Aberystwyth.   Unfortunately the parish records for Cold Ashton before about 1795 have disappeared so I am unable to trace the Milliners back further than Isaac.   He was married in Cold Ashton 20 Apr 1812 and was buried 13 Feb 1853, died age 66 from which I've assumed he was born about 1787.   Similarly his wife Margaret was buried 13 Feb 1864 age 74.

Could Isaac be the son of Isaac, born 1739, in Leigh Delamere?   Cold Ashton is only 11 miles from Leigh Delamere.   I also have a number of Beazers associated with the Milliners.

Dave

[TMAL]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your reply.

Here are some other questions and comments and perhaps info. that is new:

I do have some questions, and comments:

1.  How do we know that Jacob was the son of Isaac Milliner?

     I have seen this stated in a number of places on the internet, but it's difficult to know if I'm in an echo chamber, or whether these other postings are a repeat of a single statement.  I'm hoping that  you can give me a definitive source reference.  Also, I have seen posts that say Jacob was born in c. 1739, and his wife Mary in c. 1743.  Again, I'm hoping you can give me sources.

2.  I have located an online facsimile of a book published in the early 1900s that is a transcript of marriages in various Wilts. parishes.

     The Isaac Milliner marriage at Yatton Keynell parish is available here:

              Isaac's wife is listed as Mary Bazer in this transcript, but there were people named Beazer, Bezer etc. in this parish, so it's possible that the transcript in the book is incorrect.

3.  Other possible Milliner relatives marrying at Leigh Delamere or Yatton Keynell:

    3a.  There is a marriage of Mary Millener to a Richard Smith in Leigh Delamere on 08/06/1770.  Likely a Milliner relative.

    3b.  There is a marriage of Rebecca Milliner to Thomas Smith on 08/02/1797 at Leigh Delamere

            3c.  There is a marriage of Mary Milliner to a William Hobbs on 12/09/1797 at Yatton Keynell:
       
4.  Possible Second marriage of Jacob Milliner

   
     From this, it appears that Jacob may have married a second time.  Do you have any info. on this?

Regards,

M@rtyn