looking for person

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Yes, that makes sense. So we are on the right track, Ladyhawk!
Unfortunately , I have to take my mom shopping right now and I know it is approx 7:00 pm for you. So hopefully we can correspond soon. I should be back within a couple of hours. Hopefully that won't be too late for you.

[Ladyhawk]

This looks to be William & Jane Turner on 1881 census Litchfield Road
with children Albert, Lily & Samuel born 1873 plus other children father's occupation Fruiterer

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/X3TD-WMZ

and 1871c William, Jane, William & Thomas Turner

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KD85-RF6

[Ladyhawk]

I will be going off line shortly but may be back later or if not it will be tomorrow 

On 1871c William’s occupation is an Iron Bedstead Maker

Baptisms on same day parents William & Jane
Samuel born 17th Nov 1871, Selenia , Thomas & William
28 Dec 1873 St Peter & St Paul's Church Aston
Occ father William Turner Bedstead maker abode Litchfield Road

There’s a possible marriage
4 Aug 1867 St Peter & St Paul’s Church Aston
William Turner 20 occ Castor f  John occ pearl button maker to
Jane Wallis 19 f Absalom oc gun barrel welder

William Turner born 28th March   12 Apr 1847   Birmingham, St Philip
Parents John pearl button maker & Harriett abode Vauxhall Road

1851 HO107; Piece: 2061; Folio: 725; Page: 3
John Turner 32 Pearl Button Maker wife Harriett 33
Children
John 13, Edward 12, Hannah 9, Henry 5, WILLIAM 3 , Harriett 2  & Fanny 5 months
Sarah THACKER mother 56 Ashbourne Derbyshire

Sarah Thacker is with John, Harriet, John & Edward Turner on 1841 c

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I am back now but we probably won't connect again until tomorrow morning my time, Ladyhawk.
Was wondering about William's occupation could he have switched from bedstand maker to a grocer? I guess it is not impossible...
That is good information to help smackie with her genealogy on the Turner side. Would love to find out where Florence ended up and with who and if they do indeed have a half sibling, Elsie. Where did she get to?
So many questions and would love to thank you all for the information that has been coming forth. I am positive smackie would agree but since I set her up with the account. I think we have lost her somewhere?!

[Ladyhawk]

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Was wondering about William's occupation could he have switched from bedstand maker to a grocer? I guess it is not impossible...

I was wondering about that also but the baptisms/births of Thomas, William, Samuel & Selina Turner do see to match up with parents William & Jane their abode in 1881 was Litchfield Road where William's ocupation is now a Fruiterer

Unfortunately I couldn't find the baptisms of their other children Edward, Albert & Jane 
was hoping that they may  show that their father William's occupation was now a Fruiterer

I did  find marriages for Jane & Selina,
Lily's previously given father William occ Fruiterer

Jane Harding witnessed the marriage of her sisters Lily & Selina

4 Dec 1898 St Peter & St Paul Aston
Jane Turner 20 f William occ Fruiterer married Frederick William Harding
One witness was Selina Turner

11 Mar 1900 St Peter & St Paul Aston
Selina Turner 25 f William occ Salesman married Thomas Lawrence
One witness Jane Harding

Would love to find out where Florence ended up and with who
and if they do indeed have a half sibling, Elsie. Where did she get to?

Both girls are not married before 1911

There is this marriage entry but can't say if her middle name is Lily

FreeBMD 1916 Aston
Elsie L Turner to Walter Emerson
  unfortunatley this marriage not available to view on line to check father's name etc....

As for Florence Violet Turner marriage entry in 1911 Aston
you have managed to rule her out as not being the Florence you are looking for

There are many other marriages for persons named Florence V Turner from 1914 onwards
but none in Aston - it's difficult to say if any of those are her without seeing a m/c to confirm
father's name etc....

There is a death entry Birmingham 1916 for a
Florence V Turner age 17  born c1899 , your Florence V Turner was born c1893 so I guess not
a match

Perhaps she married without using her middle name there are quite a fews marriage entries on FreeBMD (searched counties Warwickshire after 1911) for persons named Florence Turner

1914 Aston Pursall no births
1918 Aston Bloxham  birth Florence A 1919 Aston mmn Turner
1923 Aston S... male birth 1924 Aston mmn Turner
1924 Aston S.....

as she was living in Aston it's quite probably that she married in that area

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Good Morning! I need a good injection of coffee yet before I begin.

You have been doing some work already. Do you subscribe to ancestry? If not maybe something will come up for Edward, Albert and Jane. I could do some look up on that part.

Having a Lily and Selina in that family group only confused me...i have noticed that with my own family tree. It seems like the males of the family sometimes carried on through the generations which makes it harder to pinpoint who is who.

I should have told that I do have a family tree on ancestry that has our Florence in it and have corresponded with the owner but they have yet to message back. I think that it is on the Fulwell side. I messaged them last night letting them know of Elsie's existence...hopefully they will get back to me...fingers crossed.

I jus tried to see if there was a family tree for Elsie and Walter but unsuccessful so far.

[Ladyhawk]

Good Morning! I need a good injection of coffee yet before I begin.

You have been doing some work already. Do you subscribe to ancestry? If not maybe something will come up for Edward, Albert and Jane. I could do some look up on that part.

Sorry forgot I was still logged on I was away from the PC having a late lunch!

I do subscribe to Ancestry I did have a look but couldn't see anything for Edward, Albert & Jane
perhaps you will have more luck.

A recap on what has been found for SAMUEL TURNER

Bapt 28 Dc 1973 born 17th Nov 1871 parent William Turner occ Bedstead maker & Jane

1881c Litchfield Road with parents William occ Fruiterer & Jane

1889 married Mary Dance single, his occ Fruiterer, father William Fruiterer

1889 Elsie Lily Turner bpt parents Samuel occ Hawker & Mary Jane

1891c Samuel occ Hawker with wife Mary 22, dau Lily 2
           only death I can see for a Mary Turner between 1891 – 1892 has a
           middle name ANN age 22 (1870) according dau’s bapt. her middle name Jane
          (maybe worth checking to see if she can be found on 1901 census)

1892 married Selina Fulwell single, his occ Hawker father William Fruitier
              children Florence Violet & Ada Lavinia bpt together 1895 his occ Hawker

1901c Samuel NOT found
           his dau Elsie L with grandparents William & Jane also with same gd parents
           his & Selina’s dau Ada, their dau Florence with Uncle, Aunt & mother Selina

1902 possible remarried Elizabeth Hickling he's a widower, his occ Fitter  f William Fruiterer

1911c he’s appears to be living alone, married (see reply No 6 from ciderdrinker)

So where is the elusive Samuel Turner in 1901  

 - sometimes have found that when a male person is not present on 1901 census they may
be serving in the Boer War 1901-1902

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Hello Ladyhawk,

I am presently checking out the website:www.angloboerwar.com/name-search as there are 17,674 pages and skipping through two pages at a time until I get to the surnames of Turner. I might be awhile before I get back.

 I too believe that ciderdrinker is right as well for the 1911 Census with Samuel.

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Oh my goodness! That was a fruitless effort. I even signed up and paid for a month's subscription to Forces War Records!! What a scam.

I honestly don't know where to go now

I have just a message back from the ancestry tree for Fulwell and it seems that they have a living Fulwell who was married to their sister and are not in contact with him but they are trying to get a email address for him so that smackie and the living descendant can make contact. So maybe he is the key to the information on Florence and Elsie.