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[smackie]

My grandmother was a british home child who came to nova scotia in 1905. I am looking for her sister Florence Violet Turner who stayed in Aston England. She will be gone but am looking for her husbands name and to contact her children. Florence was born abt. 1894 Her mother was Selina and father was Samuel turner. My grandmother was Ada Lavinia Turner. Any ideas?

[miriamkinga]

There are a couple of marriage options in the September quarter of 1911 - unfortunately this is after the 1911 census.

Candidates for a Sept quarter marriage in Aston, Birmingham are Herbert W Winter and Arthur H Lucas.

A search of births with Lucas and MMN Turner brings up Florence L in 1912 & Joseph H 1913 & Frank E  1915 both in West Bromwich.

Possible death for a Florence V Lucas in Birmingham in 1967 aged 74 - vol 9c page 88.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Just to add Arthur Harry Lucas was born 19.7.1892 s of Arthur James and Lucy Lucas.He was a gun finisher.He died Sep 1954 at Birmingham age 62.
On the Electoral registers they remain at Shaw Hill Grove Erdington 1925-45.
There is a family tree on Ancestry -Tierny Family Tree for Arthur H Lucas,no mention of florence but they may know more.
Ciderdrinker

[carol8353]

This is probably Florence's birth info (there's also one born in Aston in 1899 too)

Births Sep 1893   

Turner    Florence Violet         Aston    6d   405

This one fits in with the 74 year old death in 1967 that miriamkinga found on reply #2

[sballinger]

Does any one have any clue as to where Florence's father Samuel Turner disappeared to? I found him in about four court records on ancestry.

[Ladyhawk]

Does any one have any clue as to where Florence's father Samuel Turner disappeared to?

 I found him in about four court records on ancestry.

What are the dates & reason given for the four court records?

Do you have him on any early census records?

I see from Ada & Florence's baptism both on the same day in 1895
Samuel's occupation is a Hawker same on his 1892 marriage to Selina Fulwell ,
he's  20, single, his father is William occ looks to read Fruiterer,
wits Samuel & Annie Whitehouse

1901c lodging Florence with her mother Selina Turner (s in law) to Samuel & Annie Whitehouse
this looks to be Selina's death

Selina Turner (born c1868) Burial 1 Feb 1902 Burial Place: Aston, St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire

At the moment this is the only Samuel Turner born c1870 Birmingham on the 1891 census occ Hawker I can see but he's already married wife Mary, dau. Lily 2 (1889)
This looks to be his marriage Samuel Turner's age 18 occ Fruiterer father William occ. Fruiterer married 1889 a Mary Dance father Francis occ Hawker

possible baptism for Lily

7 May 1889 St James the Less Ashted
Elsie Lily Turner born 18 April 1889 Parents Samuel occ Fruiter & Mary Jane
abode Coleshill St.

Will take a look again later

[ciderdrinker]

Good afternoon
It does look like Samuel  has married twice.
On the 1891 census Samuel and Mary have a daughter Lily who is baptised at St James the Less Ahsted
Elsie Lily born 18.4.1889 bapt 7.5.1889 Coleshill st fruiterer to Samuel and Mary Jane Turner.

In 1911 census she is living with her grandmother and uncle.As I can't post the 1911,this is the family in 1901.61 Grosvenor Road Birmingham
William Turner 54 green grocer Bham
Jane 52 Bham
Albert 25 tyre maker Aston
Lily 21 tyre expander Aston
Arthur 20 tyre maker Aston
Elsie L 12 grand daughter Bham
Ada 5 Aston
John Hoar 25 boarder (uncle 1911) rubber tyre maker India

Surely Ada is your grandmother?
Possible death for Mary Ann turner Sep 1892 Aston age 22 6d 181

I can't find a entry for Samuel Turner in 1901 but there is a Samuel in 1911 age 39 fruiterer, which could be him.Unfortunately he's on his own in Aston under Lyme.

Ciderdrinker

[Ladyhawk]

In 1911 census she is living with her grandmother and uncle.
As I can't post the 1911,this is the family in 1901.61 Grosvenor Road Birmingham
William Turner 54 green grocer Bham
Jane 52 Bham
Albert 25 tyre maker Aston
Lily 21 tyre expander Aston
Arthur 20 tyre maker Aston
Elsie L 12 grand daughter Bham
Ada 5 Aston
John Hoar 25 boarder (uncle 1911) rubber tyre maker India

Surely Ada is your grandmother?
Possible death for Mary Ann turner Sep 1892 Aston age 22 6d 181

Was just looking at the Hoar's ciderdrinker and about to post this

marriage 14 July 1901
Christopher John Hoar 25 lab. f William occ carter
Lily Turner 21 (1880) f William occ Fruiterer
both 63 Grosvenor Road Birmingham

I can't find a entry for Samuel Turner in 1901 but there is a
Samuel in 1911 age 39 fruiterer, which could be him.
Unfortunately he's on his own in Aston under Lyme.

I can't find him either 

I'm only posting this entry due to his occupation and age

BUT  I don't think it can be the same
Samuel as he's with his family on latest census although
a completely different occupation from bpt of dau Olga and his pob is completely wrong this
looks to be his death entry Samuel Turner age 70 (1870) Mar 1940 Macclesfield Cheshire

1901 c Lancashire
Samuel Turner 31 (1870) Macclesfield Cheshire occ Fruiterer Greengrocer
Mary 27 Macclesfield children Ernest 3 & Phyllis 1 born Manchester

Ernest born 12 Nov 1897 bp 22 Dec & Phyllis born 14 Feb 1900 bpt 25 Apr
F Samuel occ baker m Mary abode Hutton St Chorlton Rd
Olga born 24 Oct 1904 30 Nov  Holy Trinity Hulme
F Samuel occ greengrocer m Mary abode 44 Raglan St

he married 17 Sep 1894 Mary Doughty - no father's names given
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQPW-12C

[sballinger]

Hi Ladyhawk,
That is definitely the right family.

Samuel b.abt 1859,  was convicted on these dates 29 Aug 1904, 7 Nov 1904, 20 June 1907 and the last so far is 4 Feb 1908 all for begging. After that I have lost him. I am not to sure who Samuel's parents are.

Ada's birth abt 1894-5 as both Ada and Florence were baptised together. She was sent to Canada through the Middlemore Children Home group in 1905.

Her details: Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Ada Turner
Name:   Ada Turner
Gender:   Female
Age:   9
Birth Date:   abt 1896
Departure Date:   20 Jun 1905
Port of Departure:   Liverpool, England
Destination Port:   Halifax, Canada
Ship Name:   Siberian
Search Ship Database:   Search the 'Siberian' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line:   Allan Line
Master:   B T Eastaway

Ada is the grandmother of smackie. I am trying to help.