John OAKE born between 1808 & 1812 Newport, Isle of Wight

[Freespirit1]

There is a baptism for a Henry Oakes, born 26 Jan 1807, baptised 14 June 1807 at Lymington, parents Timothy and Mary.

Can't see John at the moment.

[Freespirit1]

I don't know if these are yours but there are entries for:

Mary Jane Mason, born 17 Aug 1785, baptised 28 Dec 1785, Lymington, parents Richard and Elizabeth

Census 1841  HO 107/294/12 Folio 33 Pg 9

High Street, st James, Poole, Dorset

Richard Oakes 25  Schoolmaster 
Caroline Oakes  25
Timothy Oakes  60  Ind
Mary Oakes  55
All not born in county, and bearing in mind that ages were rounded down by up to five years in 1841.

Also, there is a burial at St James in Poole:
Timothy Oake, aged 59 (born about 1782), buried 14 August 1841

[Maria Goretti]

Thank you very much Freespirit, these records are most certainly mine, the 1841 census squares up pretty well. Richard Oake's age would be nearly correct for Timothy & Mary Jane“s son Richard. Caroline would be his wife and both his parents living with him. Mary's age also tallies with her birth record you have given me.
Timothy's burial tallies with his death record on Freebmd & takes place at the same location as the 1841 census.
Wow! This is really fabulous, once again thanks very much for all your help and kindness,
Maria

[Freespirit1]

Looking at the Mason family, this looks like a possible marriage:
Richard Mason married Elizabeth Bailey (widow) at Lymington on 13 July 1783

In addition to Mary Jane they also had the following children baptised in Lymington:
Elizabeth, born 10 April 1784, bapt 13 April 1784
John, born 9 Nov 1790, bapt 6 Nov 1791
Richard, born 11 May 1793, bapt 7 Dec 1793

There are possible burials in Lymington:
Elizabeth Mason buried 8 Dec 1814 aged 65 (b abt 1749)
Richard Mason buried 6 May 1823 aged 75 (b abt 1748)
Also what appears to be their son Richard, buried 2 March 1828, aged 34

Earlier baptisms are a bit trickier to sort out as the name Richard Mason is quite common but the most likely candidate and the only one I can see in Lymington at the right time is:
Richard Mason, bapt 10 March 1748, son of William, Salt Officer.  Mother's names weren't mentioned in the parish registers before the 1750s.

It is also difficult to find Elizabeth's maiden name as there were several men called Bailey who married women named Elizabeth so I haven't made any progress there.

[Freespirit1]

Mysteries just have to be solved so I just had to find more about Elizabeth Bailey, widow at marriage to Richard Mason.

Going by her age at death, she would have been born about 1749.  As the family seems to have been based in Lymington, I looked at the baptisms for all Elizabeths and Bettys in Lymington between 1748 and 1750.  The one who stands out is:
Elizabeth Serrel, bapt 10 April 1749, daughter of John Serrel.

There was a marriage of a Joseph Bailey to Elizabeth Serrell in Lymington on 4 June 1767.  there is also a burial entry in the register for a Joseph Bailey, aged 42 (b abt 1739) on 31 May 1781 in Lymington.  This would tie in nicely with the marriage of Elizabeth Bailey to Richard Mason on 13 July 1783.  I've had a look at baptisms but I can't see any children being born to Joseph and Elizabeth Bailey (or variations of the surname) in Lymington.

Just to add a bit of flesh to the bones, the Hampshire Chronicle of Monday 3 March 1828 had the following announcement about the death of Mary Jane Mason's brother Richard (1794 - 1828):
Lymington
Died on Monday, in the 35th year of his age, after a long and painful illness, Mr Richard Mason, confectioner of this town, leaving a wife and two children.

The Hampshire Advertiser of Saturday 7 November 1835 reported the death of his widow:
Lymington
Died, on Tuesday last, aged 42 years, Jane, relict of the late Mt Richard Mason, confectioner of this town.

[Maria Goretti]

Once again, a big thank you Freespirit for all this new information you are obviously a real genius in this family research field. I appreciate it all so much.

I found the full 1841 census on Freecen for Richard Oake, he is a school master and there are 30 people living at the school at the time of the census, including his parents and two of his siblings.

The school is on High Street,  Blandford Town,  Poole, Dorset, St James Parish. Strangely I can't find anything at all on this school in Blandford.

Timothy died here in Sept. Q 1841 and his son Richard died less than a year later in June Q 1842. Richard & Caroline  had a daughter Caroline born March Q 1842.

 A lot of the Oakes appear to have died around the late 1840 & early 50's, could there have been some kind of epidemic?

I can't find the birth place for Timothy Oake anywhere.

Once again Many thanks for all your help and kindness,
Maria

[Freespirit1]

Thank you for your kind words, Maria, but I can't claim to have any special research skills and there are many others here on Rootschat more knowledgeable and experienced than I.  I've 'learned my way around' the records in counties where I have ancestors, joined family history societies and so on, and have learned from and been helped by other Rootschatters.  Quite apart from that, we all enjoy the challenge of a good mystery!

Many small schools were set up by individual schoolmasters/mistresses and came and went fairly quickly.  The Dorset History Centre
 https://www.dorsetforyou.com/dorsethistorycentre

or Poole Museum 
http://www.boroughofpoole.com/leisure-and-culture/museums-and-local-history/museum/

may be able to guide you in the right direction with regard to the school, any major epidemics etc.

Both Timothy and Richard died after the registration of births, marriages and deaths started in 1837 so you can order copies of their death certificates, which will show the cause of death, from GRO.  The cost, £9.25 per certificate, includes postage to anywhere in the world.  If you decide to order them, you will need to quote the full page and volume numbers for the register entries you have already found.

It is such a shame that Timothy didn't last another ten years as his place of birth would have been shown in the 1851 census!  Sometimes people are missing from parish registers simply because the minister forgot to enter them.  The registers that we are familiar with are monthly summaries of the services that took place.  Some ministers were scrupulously accurate and entered additional details (such as dates of birth with baptisms) whilst others were appallingly sloppy and got the details wrong or left out entries altogether.  One local vicar, looking after several rural parishes, entered my Alner family as Allenor, Alver, Allen and Arnold.  I had to check the original parish registers then cross check that other families of those names weren't living in the area to make sure I had the right family members as all the other biographical details matched.  I've seen marriage registers with entries completed then names crossed out and different names written over the top, dates scribbled out and changed, entries left half finished and gaps left, presumably for things the minister couldn't quite remember at the time.

Anyway, more information about the Oakes may come to light so we'll keep them on the back burner.

[Maria Goretti]

Freespirit, I have just found a lot more records on family search for the Oake family on the Isle of Wight as I did a search with no date frame  (something new learned, hopefully!!!!) and was amazed to find an Oake family in Calbourne in the 1650s and as there doesn't appear to have been many Oake families on the Island I think there is a good chance if I do a spreadsheet of all the Oake family  records available on line that I just might be able to establish a pattern that would lead me to my family line and Timothy's parents and place of birth.

Thank you ever so much for all your help and kindness and setting me on the right road, I really do appreciate it very much.
Kindest regards, Maria