Help with names on marriage certificate

[Sam Stoat]

First, I'm after the name of the vicar. I get Jones, but not his first name.

Second, is the first witness. William is easy enough, but the rest has got me. Is that a middle initial, or "le"?

Any help appreciated.

[lizdb]

Is it in Wales? 'Cos vicar looks like Pryce Jones to me, and that sounds Welsh!

[Sam Stoat]

Is it in Wales?

Newcastle Upon Tyne, actually. Nothing stopping a Welshman coming up here, though, so could be. The parish is St. John's. Anyway of finding who was vicar in 1838?

[lizdb]

Is his signature any clearer on the other marriages on the page?

Actually it is probably a cert, not a PR entry, so forget that.

[lizdb]

Is this the Church?

http://www.stjohnthebaptistnewcastle.co.uk/

If so, why not contact them and ask who the vicar was in 1838?

[Galium]

familysearch has images of parish registers for St John, Newcastle. They are browse only, and as far as I can see there are only baptisms and burials. In 1838 names of officiating ministers are Maughan, Simpson, Wright ..and R N L Jones, who always signs with initials for his forenames.

There was a C of E minister named Pryce Jones at this time, who was vicar of Helmdon in Northamptonshire.  It is possible that he was a relative of R N L Jones, who happened to be visiting and assisting  at St John's for some reason when the marriage took place.  P. Jones/Pryce Jones was performing baptisms and burials  at St John's in September and October of 1838.

[Sam Stoat]

P. Jones/Pryce Jones was performing baptisms and burials  at St John's in September and October of 1838.

The marriage was on 13th of October, so I think we'll say Pryce.

Thanks for the vicar. First witness, anybody?

[josey]

First stab.....
William C Coats
or *oots

[Geoff-E]

I see

William Oliver's X mark