st peters de beauvoir square islington

[Ladyhawk]

  from BMD  This  is  possibly  the  bride ,   

Marriages Sep 1891   

Gooch  Ellen Constance    Hackney  1b 1075   
Jepson  Alice Batty     Hackney  1b 1075   
Kemp  William     Hackney  1b 1075 

for info. the missing male name for that page is Frederick STEADMAN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/2DB4-8Y9

[dawnsh]

I found the family in 1901, John is named as John Evan Jenkins.

One child, Dorothy Ellen, is registered here

Mar 1899
Jenkins    Dorothy Ellen         Hackney    1b   577

based on an online tree at Ancestry

[dawnsh]

Francis Thomas is here

Jun 1901
Jenkins    Francis Thomas        Edmonton    3a   495

[vabbott]

Hello again
Thanks so much for your efforts . They are definitely the family but just cant trace mum and dad deaths
These things are sent to try us aren't they  I will keep on looking
Ronnie

[Ladyhawk]

I found the family in 1901, John is named as John Evan Jenkins

They are definitely the family but just cant trace mum and dad deaths

Could this be the father's death entry?

John E Jenkins age 58 (1863) Mar 1921 Hackney Vol 1b Pg 552

This could be his birth entry

John Evan Jenkins Jenkins Sep 1862 Bethnal Gn vol 1c pg 268

Checked the original typed entry and it reads JENKINS John Evan Jenkins

Do you know his parents names?

There's this christening entry

John Evan Jenkins born 28 Jun 1862 Bpt. 27 Jul 1862 St Matthew Bethnal Green
Father: John Jenkins  Mother: Louisa Matilda

Other baptism with those parents names are
Louisa Matilda born 22 Nov 1859 bpt 25 Dec St Mary Whitechapel
William David born 9 Oct 1864 bpt 30 Oct St Matthew Bethnal Green

[vabbott]

thank you so much for the time you have spent. I do appreciate it. Perhaps if we get that death certificate there may be some clues on there.  Worth a shot isn't it
I found a Francis Thomas when I looked at the immigrations to see if he had been sent out to Canada or somewhere I did find one who was deported so I hope it wasn't him Will investigate further 
Regards
Ronnie

[a1emslie]

Now that I am back in the country, I would like to thank you all for your suggestions following Ronnie's original posting, when she was trying to help me.
To add a little fuel to the fire, there was a letter waiting for me from Barnardo's, saying that little Francis Thomas Jenkins had been shipped off to Canada in 1913, and was in Dashwood, in 1919, using the name Fred. No further info there. I so hope that he had a happy life....
They couldn't give me more info because I wasn't the direct descendant, but implied that the aforementioned Ellen Constance Gooch who married William Kemp in 1891 was the mother.This then begs the question of my grandfather's father, as he was born in 1892. Presumably Ellen left the marital home pre his birth. The father on his birth certificate is named as John Evan Jenkins. One Jenkins . I may never know whether I am of Jenkins or Kemp descent!

In 1911 I have found Dorothy Ellen as Doris Woodruff. She was supposedly taken in by her aunt who was Annie nee Jenkins. An Annie Jenkins married Woodruff, but I haven't managed to link Annie with my John Evan Jenkins yet. Still working on that one . ...

All this help has thrown up new leads to explore, and I am so grateful to you all. Thank you

[Ladyhawk]

To add a little fuel to the fire, there was a letter waiting for me from Barnardo's, saying that little Francis Thomas Jenkins had been shipped off to Canada in 1913, and was in Dashwood, in 1919, using the name Fred. No further info there. I so hope that he had a happy life....
They couldn't give me more info because I wasn't the direct descendant, but implied that the aforementioned Ellen Constance Gooch who married William Kemp in 1891 was the mother.

This then begs the question of my grandfather's father, as he was born in 1892.
Presumably Ellen left the marital home pre his birth.
The father on his birth certificate is named as John Evan Jenkins. One Jenkins .

I may never know whether I am of Jenkins or Kemp descent!

Mmm.....

Is Ellen on two censuses in the same year?
and
Did she have John D JENKINS 28 Aug 1892 and then approx. 7 months later
have another child Jack R KEMP in Mar qtr 1893 

Ellen Constance Kemp nee Gooch age 40 is on the 1901 census with husband & child

Ellen Jenkins age 27 is on the 1901 census with husband John Evan & 4 children

1901 RG13; Piece: 1263; Folio: 92; Page: 12
22 Hyde Square
John Evan JENKINS 32 Hackney
Ellen 27 dittoed as born Hackney
John D 8
Augustus C 5
Dorothy E 2
Francis T 12 mths Edmonton

birth entry
John David Jenkins Oct-Nov-Dec 1892 Hackney Vol 1b P 471

1901 RG13; Piece: 1224; Folio: 123; Page: 2
9 Sheldon Road
William KEMP 36 occ clerk
Ellen C 40 Islington London
Jack R 8 Willensden
Dorothy B Robertson niece 15 Kennington London

birth entry
Jack Reginald Kemp Jan-Feb-Mar 1893 Hendon Volume: 3a Page: 210

According to the London Electoral Register
William & Ellen Constance KEMP with living at 33 West End Lane
1918/19/20/21

Ellen Constance Kemp died 31 Mar 1938
Administration 12 May 1938 to Jack R Kemp Sales manager

In 1911 I have found Dorothy Ellen as Doris Woodruff.
She was supposedly taken in by her aunt who was Annie nee Jenkins. An Annie Jenkins married Woodruff, but I haven't managed to link Annie with my John Evan Jenkins yet.

Still working on that one . ...

this looks to be Dorothy's birth entry

Dorothy Ellen Jenkins Jan-Feb-Mar 1899 Hackney Volume:1b Page:   577

did she marry?

Dorothy Ellen Street died age 78 Born 17 Feb 1899
Date of Registration:   Jun 1977 Hitchin Hertfordshire
Volume:   10 Page:   0507

[Ladyhawk]

The birth certificate for John David Jenkins does it give mother Ellen Gooch's
middle name as Constance?

from the 1901 census Ellen Jenkins born c 1874 dittoed as born Hackney

I'm wondering if she maybe Ellen MARY Gooch

Ellen MARY Gooch born 1874 Haverhill Suffolk granddaughter of Mary PECK
1881 RG11; Piece: 1821; Folio: 70; Page: 17
and Ellen age 17 with her grandmother Mary PECK
1891 RG12; Piece: 1435; Folio: 44; Page: 10

birth entry
Ellen Mary Gooch Jul-Aug-Sep 1873 Risbridge  Volume:   4a Page:   433