Patrick HEFFERNAN

[cupoflife]

I've looked on NSW BDM and there are two Patrick Heffernan's with a death registration between 1914 (Olive Maude's marriage where he wasn't noted as deceased)-1919 (noted as deceased on Vespa's marriage cert):

1965/1914 - Camden
5320/1915 - Junee

Does anyone think it would be worthwhile to buy a transcription of one or both of these registrations?  Honestly, I really feel the brick wall regarding Patrick is getting higher the more info I get about his family! 

dfc

These are some articles on the Junee chap 1915 and the Camden chap 1914:
Patrick HEFFERNAN - Junee:
Cootamundra Herald 21May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/139524053
Daily Advertiser 19May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/141938634
Freeman's Journal 27May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115308947
Albury Banner and Wodonga Express  21May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108150149

Patrick HEFFERNAN - Camden:
Freeman's Journal 29Jan1914 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/111290178
The Southern Record and Advertiser 24Jan2014 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/125777977
The Bega Budget 24Jan2014 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/130342821
SMH20Jan1914 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15478555

cheers
cupoflife

[majm]

Hi there,

Some initial online searchings brings up :

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2FqueryEntry.m%3Ftype%3Ddeaths
There’s a 1941 death in New Zealand for a Patrick HEFFERNAN aged 77 years

NZ Archway has a New Plymouth probate file on their index for a Patrick HEFFERNAN, 1941. . 
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

RChatters on the NZ Board may know about gaining access to that file.  From memory, a new thread  “WELLINGTON Probate File enquiry” and then the file no. and name etc in the Opening post  may help confirm/eliminate your chap  (and of course, include a link back to this thread too)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=299.0

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/
There’s a 1925 death in Queensland for a Patrick HEFFERNAN, aged 89 years, born Ireland
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20919635 Brisbane Courier 23 Feb 1925 seems to eliminate this chap.

Then from TROVE
1924 Detectives investigating disappearance of a Patrick HEFFERNAN aged 66 years, in Tasmania
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51348669 Examiner 26 June 1924

Cheers,  JM

[dog_foster_carer]

I've looked on NSW BDM and there are two Patrick Heffernan's with a death registration between 1914 (Olive Maude's marriage where he wasn't noted as deceased)-1919 (noted as deceased on Vespa's marriage cert):

1965/1914 - Camden
5320/1915 - Junee

Does anyone think it would be worthwhile to buy a transcription of one or both of these registrations?  Honestly, I really feel the brick wall regarding Patrick is getting higher the more info I get about his family! 

dfc

These are some articles on the Junee chap 1915 and the Camden chap 1914:
Patrick HEFFERNAN - Junee:
Cootamundra Herald 21May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/139524053
Daily Advertiser 19May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/141938634
Freeman's Journal 27May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115308947
Albury Banner and Wodonga Express  21May1915 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/108150149

Patrick HEFFERNAN - Camden:
Freeman's Journal 29Jan1914 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/111290178
The Southern Record and Advertiser 24Jan2014 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/125777977
The Bega Budget 24Jan2014 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/130342821
SMH20Jan1914 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/15478555

cheers
cupoflife

thanks for that cupoflife

you have definitely saved me some money, thankyou!!!!!

I've thoroughly looked at every one of those links you posted above and can now exclude them from the Patrick Heffernan I'm looking for.

Cheers!
dfc

[dog_foster_carer]

Hi there,

Some initial online searchings brings up :

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2FqueryEntry.m%3Ftype%3Ddeaths
There’s a 1941 death in New Zealand for a Patrick HEFFERNAN aged 77 years

NZ Archway has a New Plymouth probate file on their index for a Patrick HEFFERNAN, 1941. . 
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

RChatters on the NZ Board may know about gaining access to that file.  From memory, a new thread  “WELLINGTON Probate File enquiry” and then the file no. and name etc in the Opening post  may help confirm/eliminate your chap  (and of course, include a link back to this thread too)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=299.0

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research/
There’s a 1925 death in Queensland for a Patrick HEFFERNAN, aged 89 years, born Ireland
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20919635 Brisbane Courier 23 Feb 1925 seems to eliminate this chap.

Then from TROVE
1924 Detectives investigating disappearance of a Patrick HEFFERNAN aged 66 years, in Tasmania
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/51348669 Examiner 26 June 1924

Cheers,  JM

Thankyou once again JM for your help and advice.

I have now just put the query request on the NZ board asking for help regarding the 1941 Probate Packet for a Patrick Heffernan.

I agree the Queensland chap isn't my Patrick Heffernan.

The missing 1924 Tasmanian could be a possibility.  Is there any further newspaper articles printed about him?  Was he found?  Did he have an obit in Tassie?

   dfc

[majm]

  Trove is free to search, and the digitised newspapers section allows for volunteers to help with the transcribing of the OCR offered text. 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/

The missing 1924 Tasmanian could be a possibility.  Is there any further newspaper articles printed about him?  Was he found?  Did he have an obit in Tassie?

Perhaps you could consider extending your online searching at Trove to include  "Paddy" or "Snowy" Heffernan.... 

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Sidney Arthur HEFFERNAN, born Portland, NSW joined AIF 17 August 1914.  He was twenty two  years and no months.  (Later in July 1915 it has him as 22 years and 11 months)    He was a Machinist by trade.  His next of kin was his mother Mrs Ada HEFFERNAN, Lithgow St, Lithgow.  He was Roman Catholic.    The file is available to view online.     I think you will find that it is unusual for the next of kin to be “Mum” when “Dad” is still an active member of the family.   

So, I think Patrick and Ada had at least informally separated. 

Patrick, NOT as NoK in August 1914, and still NOT NoK in July 1915

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=133541
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=133540

Cheers,  JM

[dog_foster_carer]

Sidney Arthur HEFFERNAN, born Portland, NSW joined AIF 17 August 1914.  He was twenty two  years and no months.  (Later in July 1915 it has him as 22 years and 11 months)    He was a Machinist by trade.  His next of kin was his mother Mrs Ada HEFFERNAN, Lithgow St, Lithgow.  He was Roman Catholic.    The file is available to view online.     I think you will find that it is unusual for the next of kin to be “Mum” when “Dad” is still an active member of the family.   

So, I think Patrick and Ada had at least informally separated. 

Patrick, NOT as NoK in August 1914, and still NOT NoK in July 1915

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=133541
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=133540

Cheers,  JM

Thanks JM

I did have this info about Sidney on my tree but one thing I hadn't considered that you mention is that mum being listed as the next of kin could likely mean that Patrick and Ada had separated. I just thought that she was probably named next of kin as dad may have been away working.  I sort of wondered about Patrick and Ada being split up but then thought probably not as no divorce record could be found.  I'm assuming that if this is the case it will make it much harder to trace/find him?  I almost feel like giving up with frustration but I won't.  Perhaps I need a break from thinking about him for a while lol!

Thanks again, every new comment gives food for thought. 

dfc

[majm]

Roman Catholics and Divorce simply do not mix, so it is more likely to be a separation.  He is not found on the NSW Dec 1913 electoral roll and still not around in July 1915 .... and not noted as deceased with Sidney marries Dec 1916.   

When Sidney married Eileen on 9 Dec 1916, the reverse side of the mc shows that Patrick give his place of birth as Portland NSW, and that he was aged 23 years, His father was Patrick HEFFERNAN, an Engineer, Trangie and his mother was Ada SALMES.   The printed form clearly required the Clergy to indicate  against the names of the parents any who were known to be deceased

 “ † If deceased, the fact should be stated”     

Add a snip, I think it reads Engineer Trangie for Patrick's occupation.   What do other RChatters think?

Noting NO sign of the †


Cheers,  JM

[dog_foster_carer]

I agree that it does JM. 

The funny thing is I thought at around that time Patrick was an engine driver for the railways and lived in Trangie.  A couple of months ago I sent an email to the Railway Department asking for information about employment records for that period of time and place for Patrick, and of course, I haven't heard anything back from them as yet.

Any other suggestions lol!

dfc